Hi, I would like to hear some opinions about the ideal infrastructure for a small RoR development group. on short term there will be about 5 running in production and there will always be active development on multiple projects. should i work with a separate development/test server and a production server both accessible via the web? should i install svn / trac on the development machine? is it smart to use a separate database server? I would love to learn more about the tools /infrastructures used by other RoR teams -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
My stance 1) always have different servers file/database for production and development/testing 2) always use svn even if you only have a single developer on the project 3) a seperate server for the database is only a good idea if it A) enhances the preformance B) is required to expand hard drive C) you are expecting the resources to be insufficient in the future (so you can load balance) 4) If you expect to be running multiple file servers for one application it is wise to include Capistrano 5) Whether your using Mongrel or Lighttpd to serve your app have it fronted by apache to serve any cached/static pages -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
> I would like to hear some opinions about the ideal infrastructure for a > small RoR development group. on short term there will be about 5 running > in production and there will always be active development on multiple > projects. > > should i work with a separate development/test server and a production > server both accessible via the web? > should i install svn / trac on the development machine? > is it smart to use a separate database server? > > I would love to learn more about the tools /infrastructures used by > other RoR teamsYour production environment (web, app, db) should be completely separate from everything else. Isolate it. You should have a distinct development environment. Putting SVN/Trac here is fine if the box can handle it. Absoutely have a separate database server. Keeping things separated helps prevent those little "all i did was make this one little change to a gem/db-config/etc" and have your production sites crash. -philip --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
> is wise to include Capistrano > > 5) Whether your using Mongrel or Lighttpd to serve your app have it > fronted by apache to serve any cached/static pages > >if you are using the apache for just static file serving and proxying to your app i would suggest using something like nginx that will give you better performace to resource utilization. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Everyone should develop locally. So "development" and "testing" environments will just be localhosted. This does require some extra effort once certain elements get involved (such as SSL), but ultimately it is worth the effort because it allows an instance development cycle and tools like autotest for every developer. Besides the standard "production" environment, you may want one or two more servers or VPS partitions that are running in production mode. One for staging (maybe client viewable) and one for internal collaboration and group testing. How many you need depends on the nature of the projects more than the number of developers. Remfull wrote:> Hi, > I would like to hear some opinions about the ideal infrastructure for a > small RoR development group. on short term there will be about 5 running > in production and there will always be active development on multiple > projects. > > should i work with a separate development/test server and a production > server both accessible via the web? > should i install svn / trac on the development machine? > is it smart to use a separate database server? > > I would love to learn more about the tools /infrastructures used by > other RoR teams-- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Thanks for your input. one more question about svn repository: at this time it runs in our lan and if i want to access it, i have to set up a vpn which gives me a lot of trouble because i am the only one running linux in our company. can i put the svn machine on the web in a safe way without having to use VPN? is SSH safe enough? Remfull wrote:> Hi, > I would like to hear some opinions about the ideal infrastructure for a > small RoR development group. on short term there will be about 5 running > in production and there will always be active development on multiple > projects. > > should i work with a separate development/test server and a production > server both accessible via the web? > should i install svn / trac on the development machine? > is it smart to use a separate database server? > > I would love to learn more about the tools /infrastructures used by > other RoR teams-- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I use subversion with Apache and WebDAV. Authentication is through htpasswd http://svn.spears.at/ It has worked well for us. Regards, Dave rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org wrote on 23-05-2007 11:49:54 PM:> > Thanks for your input. > one more question about svn repository: > at this time it runs in our lan and if i want to access it, i have to > set up a vpn which gives me a lot of trouble because i am the only one > running linux in our company. can i put the svn machine on the web in a > safe way without having to use VPN? is SSH safe enough? > > > > > Remfull wrote: > > Hi, > > I would like to hear some opinions about the ideal infrastructure fora> > small RoR development group. on short term there will be about 5running> > in production and there will always be active development on multiple > > projects. > > > > should i work with a separate development/test server and a production > > server both accessible via the web? > > should i install svn / trac on the development machine? > > is it smart to use a separate database server? > > > > I would love to learn more about the tools /infrastructures used by > > other RoR teams > > > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On May 23, 1:18 pm, Remfull <rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> should i work with a separate development/test server and a production > server both accessible via the web? > should i install svn / trac on the development machine? > is it smart to use a separate database server? >If you can get a virtualization setup going then virtualize do that. You can start with one physical box and have 4 or 5 virtual machines running, all with different roles. Then when the time comes to up the performance for one of the boxes, buy a new box and transfer one of the virtual machines to the new box. This approach makes your infrastructure flexible as a yogi master. -tavis -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
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2007-May-24 18:21 UTC
Re: infrastructure for small RoR development firm
Be sure to use Cashboard for maintaining time logs, and to handle all your billing http://www.getcashboard.com Written by another small RoR development firm as well :D On 5/23/07, Remfull <rails-mailing-list-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > > Hi, > I would like to hear some opinions about the ideal infrastructure for a > small RoR development group. on short term there will be about 5 running > in production and there will always be active development on multiple > projects. > > should i work with a separate development/test server and a production > server both accessible via the web? > should i install svn / trac on the development machine? > is it smart to use a separate database server? > > I would love to learn more about the tools /infrastructures used by > other RoR teams > > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > > > >-- -------------------- seth at subimage interactive ----- http://www.subimage.com http://sublog.subimage.com ----- http://www.getcashboard.com http://dev.subimage.com/projects/substruct --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I use svn+ssh:// and that works very well. If you''ve already got ssh available on the box, this is ideal as it means you''re just using a port that''s already open on the box, not opening any additional ports. To add a little more complexity, and security, setup ssh to use (& require) access with a public/private key pair rather than via normal password. That way nobody (not even you) can get to your repository unless they''re doing it from your machine (where the key file is) AND know the password for your key (because, although possible, you wouldn''t dream of creating a key without a password, right?). It''s funny to look at the ssh logs of people/bots constantly trying to ssh into our Internet connected machines trying all kinds different usernames and passwords, since no matter what they try, they won''t get in without one of our developer''s keys. On May 24, 12:49 am, remfull <rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Thanks for your input. > one more question about svn repository: > at this time it runs in our lan and if i want to access it, i have to > set up a vpn which gives me a lot of trouble because i am the only one > running linux in our company. can i put the svn machine on the web in a > safe way without having to use VPN? is SSH safe enough? > > Remfull wrote: > > Hi, > > I would like to hear some opinions about the ideal infrastructure for a > > small RoR development group. on short term there will be about 5 running > > in production and there will always be active development on multiple > > projects. > > > should i work with a separate development/test server and a production > > server both accessible via the web? > > should i install svn / trac on the development machine? > > is it smart to use a separate database server? > > > I would love to learn more about the tools /infrastructures used by > > other RoR teams > > -- > Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com/.--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---