I''m sure this is a silly question, but I''ve been reading through the agile rails book and no surprises about using join tables so far. But I looked into the rails cookbook and it has this to say on the matter: "The many-to-many relationship between recipes and tags also needs the help of Active Record declarations. We''ve added has_and_belongs_to_many :tags to recipes.rb and has_and_belongs_to_many :recipes to tags.rb. There''s no sign of the intermediate join table, recipes_tags; this is by design. Active Record handles the complexities of maintaining many-to-many relationships and provides an intuitive interface for accessing them from within Rails." I also looked through the sitepoint rails book and there wasn''t even a mention of defining ''join tables'' for use with has_and_belongs_to_many. So now I''m confused, agile rails seems like a highly credible book but as far as I can tell it defines the manual creation of join tables as necessary, while the other two books either don''t mention them at all or give the impression they are maintained internally, or at least can be. I realize I''m probably overlooking something very obvious, but I''ll accept my humiliation for an answer to my dilemma :) -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
All table must be created manually or (preferably) in a migration. By default (name conventings can be configured to some extent), habtm expects a table named recipes_tags (alphabetical order) with a recipe_id field and a tag_id field AND NOTHING ELSE. So if you are creating it in a migration, you have to make sure you don''t get an id field. It''s easy for that to happen since migrations add it silently by default. You will want to add :id => false when you call create_table in the migration On May 18, 9:16 pm, Michael Chow <rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> I''m sure this is a silly question, but I''ve been reading through the > agile rails book and no surprises about using join tables so far. > > But I looked into the rails cookbook and it has this to say on the > matter: > > "The many-to-many relationship between recipes and tags also needs the > help of Active Record declarations. We''ve added has_and_belongs_to_many > :tags to recipes.rb and has_and_belongs_to_many :recipes to tags.rb. > There''s no sign of the intermediate join table, recipes_tags; this is by > design. Active Record handles the complexities of maintaining > many-to-many relationships and provides an intuitive interface for > accessing them from within Rails." > > I also looked through the sitepoint rails book and there wasn''t even a > mention of defining ''join tables'' for use with has_and_belongs_to_many. > > So now I''m confused, agile rails seems like a highly credible book but > as far as I can tell it defines the manual creation of join tables as > necessary, while the other two books either don''t mention them at all or > give the impression they are maintained internally, or at least can be. > > I realize I''m probably overlooking something very obvious, but I''ll > accept my humiliation for an answer to my dilemma :) > > -- > Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com/.--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Interesting. I have not had the time to re-create the application in the Sitepoint ruby on rails book, so am I to assume there are no circumstances under which habtm could work without manually defining a join table, thus the application in the book would fail? -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
It''s hard to believe they would overlook something that obvious. They don''t define the join table where they define the other tables? On May 19, 9:30 am, Michael Chow <rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Interesting. I have not had the time to re-create the application in the > Sitepoint ruby on rails book, so am I to assume there are no > circumstances under which habtm could work without manually defining a > join table, thus the application in the book would fail? > > -- > Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com/.--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On second look the habtm relationship isn''t used in the demo application, it''s merely mentioned separately, although again, there is no mention of join tables. It is a ''beginner'' book so I suppose it''s more of a "do further research" factor rather than "forgot to include something important" factor. As for the Rails Cookbook suggesting there is "no sign of join table by design", I''m assuming this probably means not that there isn''t a join table, but rather there doesn''t need to be a mention of it in the model. Seems like nothing more than a bit of misunderstanding on my part, thanks. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---