TIOBE Programming Community Index for May 2007 May Headline: Ruby''s growth comes to an end Does that mean ruby is not going to compete with the big ones ? I thought it was gonig to pass php -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
gino wrote:> TIOBE Programming Community Index for May 2007 > > May Headline: Ruby''s growth comes to an end > > Does that mean ruby is not going to compete with the big ones ? > I thought it was gonig to pass phphttp://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm ''It seems as if the rapid growth of Ruby has come to an end. If this is indeed the case, then also Ruby does not become the "next big programming language".'' The curve for Ruby shows a ground crawl of early adoption, from 2002 onward, followed by a climb in 2006 corresponding to the first wave of Rails books. The high end of the chart, Java and Visual Basic, show declines. Your "headline" may just be an attempt to draw Rails community hits to the site. Ruby, and especially Rails, are only just starting. -- Phlip http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510657/ "Test Driven Ajax (on Rails)" assert_xpath, assert_javascript, & assert_ajax --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Definitely not a conclusion I would draw from that chart. 06 = 19th, 07 = 10th. That is pretty fast growth to me. I think the rate of adoption of Ruby and Rails is more limited by available trained engineers than by demand. Michael On May 12, 6:53 pm, "Phlip" <phlip2...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> gino wrote: > > TIOBE Programming Community Index for May 2007 > > > May Headline: Ruby''s growth comes to an end > > > Does that mean ruby is not going to compete with the big ones ? > > I thought it was gonig to pass php > > http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm > > ''It seems as if the rapid growth of Ruby has come to an end. If this is > indeed the case, then also Ruby does not become the "next big programming > language".'' > > The curve for Ruby shows a ground crawl of early adoption, from 2002 onward, > followed by a climb in 2006 corresponding to the first wave of Rails books. > The high end of the chart, Java and Visual Basic, show declines. > > Your "headline" may just be an attempt to draw Rails community hits to the > site. Ruby, and especially Rails, are only just starting. > > -- > Phliphttp://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510657/ > "Test Driven Ajax (on Rails)" > assert_xpath, assert_javascript, & assert_ajax--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
MichaelLatta wrote:> Definitely not a conclusion I would draw from that chart. > > 06 = 19th, 07 = 10th. That is pretty fast growth to me. > > I think the rate of adoption of Ruby and Rails is more limited by > available trained engineers than by demand.Totally. I see job adds for RoR all the time, and at my day gig they had to get a head-hunter just to collect resumes. If the chart is biased for enterprise and corporate teams, and established projects that must still add features, then it would under- represent RoR''s mindshare. -- Phlip http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510657/ "Test Driven Ajax (on Rails)" assert_xpath, assert_javascript, & assert_ajax --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
One can''t help but love rails - but I have to say the major issue as I see it is DEPLOYMENT, DEPLOYMENT, DEPLOYMENT. Until deployment is as easy and universal as PHP it will never surpass PHP. I have said this from the start and continue to say it. A lot of times with a rails app you get all dressed up and have nowhere to go or you have to pay more. Most providers that "support" rails don''t do squat and you have to figure everything out yourself with symbolic links and difficult, if not impossible, setup. And God forbid you have a question. I have to say I continue to wonder if rails isn''t going to go the route of Beta vs. VHS - Beta was better but VHS won due to one reason - market integration and availability. On May 12, 11:58 pm, Phlip <phlip2...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> MichaelLatta wrote: > > Definitely not a conclusion I would draw from that chart. > > > 06 = 19th, 07 = 10th. That is pretty fast growth to me. > > > I think the rate of adoption of Ruby and Rails is more limited by > > available trained engineers than by demand. > > Totally. I see job adds for RoR all the time, and at my day gig they > had to get a head-hunter just to collect resumes. > > If the chart is biased for enterprise and corporate teams, and > established projects that must still add features, then it would under- > represent RoR''s mindshare. > > -- > Phlip > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510657/ > "Test Driven Ajax (on Rails)" > assert_xpath, assert_javascript, & assert_ajax--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Does it matter how popular a language is, if it right for the job then use it, if not use something else. You have all discovered a truly fantastic language, if others don''t follow, that doesn''t make Ruby or Rails a lesser Language or Framework. Ruby or Rails are not going to disappear because some other language is more popular. As long as there is a dedicated community contributing and getting excited about them then they will live on. On May 13, 8:59 am, richinri <richi...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> One can''t help but love rails - but I have to say the major issue as I > see it is DEPLOYMENT, DEPLOYMENT, DEPLOYMENT. Until deployment is as > easy and universal as PHP it will never surpass PHP. I have said this > from the start and continue to say it. A lot of times with a rails > app you get all dressed up and have nowhere to go or you have to pay > more. Most providers that "support" rails don''t do squat and you have > to figure everything out yourself with symbolic links and difficult, > if not impossible, setup. And God forbid you have a question. I have > to say I continue to wonder if rails isn''t going to go the route of > Beta vs. VHS - Beta was better but VHS won due to one reason - market > integration and availability. > > On May 12, 11:58 pm, Phlip <phlip2...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > MichaelLatta wrote: > > > Definitely not a conclusion I would draw from that chart. > > > > 06 = 19th, 07 = 10th. That is pretty fast growth to me. > > > > I think the rate of adoption of Ruby and Rails is more limited by > > > available trained engineers than by demand. > > > Totally. I see job adds for RoR all the time, and at my day gig they > > had to get a head-hunter just to collect resumes. > > > If the chart is biased for enterprise and corporate teams, and > > established projects that must still add features, then it would under- > > represent RoR''s mindshare. > > > -- > > Phlip > > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510657/ > > "Test Driven Ajax (on Rails)" > > assert_xpath, assert_javascript, & assert_ajax--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
njmacinnes-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
2007-May-13 14:38 UTC
Re: May Headline: Ruby''s growth comes to an end
Surely as demand for ruby/rails increases, providers will make it easier to deploy. This is the core of capitalism. As demand increases, supply does too. I reckon it won''t be too long before we can just upload everything from the project folder, and the job will be done. On 13/05/07, richinri <richinri-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > > One can''t help but love rails - but I have to say the major issue as I > see it is DEPLOYMENT, DEPLOYMENT, DEPLOYMENT. Until deployment is as > easy and universal as PHP it will never surpass PHP. I have said this > from the start and continue to say it. A lot of times with a rails > app you get all dressed up and have nowhere to go or you have to pay > more. Most providers that "support" rails don''t do squat and you have > to figure everything out yourself with symbolic links and difficult, > if not impossible, setup. And God forbid you have a question. I have > to say I continue to wonder if rails isn''t going to go the route of > Beta vs. VHS - Beta was better but VHS won due to one reason - market > integration and availability. > > On May 12, 11:58 pm, Phlip <phlip2...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > MichaelLatta wrote: > > > Definitely not a conclusion I would draw from that chart. > > > > > 06 = 19th, 07 = 10th. That is pretty fast growth to me. > > > > > I think the rate of adoption of Ruby and Rails is more limited by > > > available trained engineers than by demand. > > > > Totally. I see job adds for RoR all the time, and at my day gig they > > had to get a head-hunter just to collect resumes. > > > > If the chart is biased for enterprise and corporate teams, and > > established projects that must still add features, then it would under- > > represent RoR''s mindshare. > > > > -- > > Phlip > > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510657/ > > "Test Driven Ajax (on Rails)" > > assert_xpath, assert_javascript, & assert_ajax > > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
alexander-0M91wEDH++c@public.gmane.org
2007-May-13 14:38 UTC
Re: May Headline: Ruby''s growth comes to an end
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On 5/13/07, njmacinnes-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org <njmacinnes-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> it won''t be too long before we can just upload everything from > the project folder, and the job will be done.There is already deprec, that pretty much covers this problem on Ubuntu. I''m working on another project right now (http://rubyforge.org/projects/rubyworks) that very soon will do the same on RHEL and CentOS. ThoughtWorks will even offer commercial support for those who need that warm and fuzzy feeling. Plus, there is a number of decent hosting services, although most of them are rather expensive so far. That''s because Rails architecture with it''s relatively high RAM and CPU footprint doesn''t fit all that well into a cheap shared hosting model. In other words, deployment is about to become a non-issue. -- Alex Verkhovsky ThoughtWorks --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---