I had a dream last night. It looked something like this: The Rails Zero Web Development Environment Why Rails Zero? No installation No configuration No gem/dependency/firewall/proxy issues No database install/configuration Geographic and platform independent...just needs a browser and an internet connection. What Rails Zero provides? .An always available, world accessible Rails development environment for you and your development team. .An ajax-enabled, web 2.0 Rails IDE (written in Ruby on Rails of course!!) .Code editor includes syntax highlighting, code completion, refactoring, etc/ .Online source code revision control (a la subversion) .full online hosted database schema control (mysql or postgresql) .rails virtual consoles for interactive ruby/rails sessions including debugging and migrations. .Immediate gratification....log in, make a change, see the results in real-time. .full control of your ruby/rails versions, plugins and engines. thoughts? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Interesting, except I think perhaps without really compelling reasons, most developers won''t give up: 1) Textmate, vi, emacs, etc. The power and flexibility of a developer''s toolset would have to be surpassed in order to compel people to switch. 2) Performance. Even though it might perform well on the server-side, transmission over an Internet connection will slow it down (especially things like running tests, debugging etc.). Other than that it sounds pretty cool. I don''t think it would be something I would use (I prefer to automate more stuff using scripts and the console like deployment, testing etc...unless you figured out a way to do that), but cool concept nonetheless. --Jeremy On 12/13/06, Jeff Amiel <jeff.amiel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > I had a dream last night. It looked something like this: > > The Rails Zero Web Development Environment > > Why Rails Zero? > > No installation > No configuration > No gem/dependency/firewall/proxy issues > No database install/configuration > Geographic and platform independent...just needs a browser and an > internet connection. > > > What Rails Zero provides? > > .An always available, world accessible Rails development environment > for you and your development team. > .An ajax-enabled, web 2.0 Rails IDE (written in Ruby on Rails of course!!) > .Code editor includes syntax highlighting, code completion, refactoring, etc/ > .Online source code revision control (a la subversion) > .full online hosted database schema control (mysql or postgresql) > .rails virtual consoles for interactive ruby/rails sessions including > debugging and migrations. > .Immediate gratification....log in, make a change, see the results in real-time. > .full control of your ruby/rails versions, plugins and engines. > > thoughts? > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I think this is a great idea. Done well might bring rails development to a new level (imagine also this thing packaged as instant rails is...) Luca 2006/12/13, Jeff Amiel <jeff.amiel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>:> > I had a dream last night. It looked something like this: > > The Rails Zero Web Development Environment > > Why Rails Zero? > > No installation > No configuration > No gem/dependency/firewall/proxy issues > No database install/configuration > Geographic and platform independent...just needs a browser and an > internet connection. > > > What Rails Zero provides? > > .An always available, world accessible Rails development environment > for you and your development team. > .An ajax-enabled, web 2.0 Rails IDE (written in Ruby on Rails of course!!) > .Code editor includes syntax highlighting, code completion, refactoring, etc/ > .Online source code revision control (a la subversion) > .full online hosted database schema control (mysql or postgresql) > .rails virtual consoles for interactive ruby/rails sessions including > debugging and migrations. > .Immediate gratification....log in, make a change, see the results in real-time. > .full control of your ruby/rails versions, plugins and engines. > > thoughts? > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I think it would be great for new developers that want to ''try'' ruby/rails without a lot of hassle or muss...... So if that was the target maybe some Rails advocacy people could work on such a project....and host it for such a purpose. Or if it was truly beleived that people could/would develop this way, one of the rails hosting providers would be a good fit to build such a beast. Just thinking out loud.... --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
This could work. I''m thinking, like an extension to BaseCamp or something. Or similar. It would need: 1. A well-designed web app for project management 2. A zero-config Rails server, and 3. Easy editing: ftp/scp along with bundles for the most popular editors. Allowing developers to use their own editor is an _essential_ ingredient. So Zero Rails would need a TextMate bundle to start with (for editing files and uploading changes), and emacs/vi/vim bundles later on. Cool idea! -roy -----Original Message----- From: rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org [mailto:rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Amiel Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 8:12 AM To: rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org Subject: [Rails] Rails Zero I had a dream last night. It looked something like this: The Rails Zero Web Development Environment Why Rails Zero? No installation No configuration No gem/dependency/firewall/proxy issues No database install/configuration Geographic and platform independent...just needs a browser and an internet connection. What Rails Zero provides? .An always available, world accessible Rails development environment for you and your development team. .An ajax-enabled, web 2.0 Rails IDE (written in Ruby on Rails of course!!) .Code editor includes syntax highlighting, code completion, refactoring, etc/ .Online source code revision control (a la subversion) .full online hosted database schema control (mysql or postgresql) .rails virtual consoles for interactive ruby/rails sessions including debugging and migrations. .Immediate gratification....log in, make a change, see the results in real-time. .full control of your ruby/rails versions, plugins and engines. thoughts? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Still...having that ability (say if on the road or at an off-site location) to log in using a browser...make a quick change and ''presto'' it''s live sure would be neat. Maybe not for everyday/everytime use...but a handy feature none-the-less.> Allowing developers to use their own editor is an _essential_ > ingredient. So Zero Rails would need a TextMate bundle to start with > (for editing files and uploading changes), and emacs/vi/vim bundles > later on. >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
My opinion is that in the beginning of learning Rails its got to be as bare as possible. If you develop in this environment you wanna know the nitty gritty So textmate but no bundle editor. In the beginning type everything by hand. You want to feel the syntax. That''s why I did the Hivelogic install. By hand. Getting the feel of terminal. And then slowly automate certain actions you know. Like migrations. Type it in manually first. So imagine as a noob in my IDE and then totally alone in terminal. I would be naked and have the feeling of not learning a thing. But, these are just my 2 euro cents. Peter -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Some people should stop dreaming and start working..... :P Jeff Amiel wrote:> I had a dream last night. It looked something like this: > > The Rails Zero Web Development Environment > > Why Rails Zero? > > No installation > No configuration > No gem/dependency/firewall/proxy issues > No database install/configuration > Geographic and platform independent...just needs a browser and an > internet connection. > > > What Rails Zero provides? > > .An always available, world accessible Rails development environment > for you and your development team. > .An ajax-enabled, web 2.0 Rails IDE (written in Ruby on Rails of course!!) > .Code editor includes syntax highlighting, code completion, refactoring, etc/ > .Online source code revision control (a la subversion) > .full online hosted database schema control (mysql or postgresql) > .rails virtual consoles for interactive ruby/rails sessions including > debugging and migrations. > .Immediate gratification....log in, make a change, see the results in real-time. > .full control of your ruby/rails versions, plugins and engines. > > thoughts? > > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
:) I''m sure my dreams were influenced by some surfing I did last night.... I saw these for the first time and was inspired dabbledb (http://dabbledb.com/) Zoho Creator (http://creator.zoho.com) Coghead (http://www.coghead.com/) On Dec 13, 1:37 pm, Abdur-Rahman Advany <r...-U5wbzIpkoVrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Some people should stop dreaming and start working..... :P > > Jeff Amiel wrote: > > I had a dream last night. It looked something like this: > > > The Rails Zero Web Development Environment > > > Why Rails Zero? > > > No installation > > No configuration > > No gem/dependency/firewall/proxy issues > > No database install/configuration > > Geographic and platform independent...just needs a browser and an > > internet connection. > > > What Rails Zero provides? > > > .An always available, world accessible Rails development environment > > for you and your development team. > > .An ajax-enabled, web 2.0 Rails IDE (written in Ruby on Rails of course!!) > > .Code editor includes syntax highlighting, code completion, refactoring, etc/ > > .Online source code revision control (a la subversion) > > .full online hosted database schema control (mysql or postgresql) > > .rails virtual consoles for interactive ruby/rails sessions including > > debugging and migrations. > > .Immediate gratification....log in, make a change, see the results in real-time. > > .full control of your ruby/rails versions, plugins and engines. > > > thoughts?--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
This plugin would certainly address the tool-of-choice topics. http://www.liverail.net/articles/2006/06/25/webdav-ruby-on-rails-plugin J On 13-Dec-06, at 2:41 PM, casperjeff wrote:> > :) > I''m sure my dreams were influenced by some surfing I did last > night.... > > I saw these for the first time and was inspired > > dabbledb (http://dabbledb.com/) > Zoho Creator (http://creator.zoho.com) > Coghead (http://www.coghead.com/) > > On Dec 13, 1:37 pm, Abdur-Rahman Advany <r...-U5wbzIpkoVrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote: >> Some people should stop dreaming and start working..... :P >> >> Jeff Amiel wrote: >>> I had a dream last night. It looked something like this: >> >>> The Rails Zero Web Development Environment >> >>> Why Rails Zero? >> >>> No installation >>> No configuration >>> No gem/dependency/firewall/proxy issues >>> No database install/configuration >>> Geographic and platform independent...just needs a browser and an >>> internet connection. >> >>> What Rails Zero provides? >> >>> .An always available, world accessible Rails development environment >>> for you and your development team. >>> .An ajax-enabled, web 2.0 Rails IDE (written in Ruby on Rails of >>> course!!) >>> .Code editor includes syntax highlighting, code completion, >>> refactoring, etc/ >>> .Online source code revision control (a la subversion) >>> .full online hosted database schema control (mysql or postgresql) >>> .rails virtual consoles for interactive ruby/rails sessions >>> including >>> debugging and migrations. >>> .Immediate gratification....log in, make a change, see the >>> results in real-time. >>> .full control of your ruby/rails versions, plugins and engines. >> >>> thoughts? > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---