Hi, I''m trying to decide if I should set up my own server at home or I should use a hosting company for my website. I''m inclined to use a hosting company at this point because I don''t know have experience setting up a public facing server that is secure, plus I would need to upgrade my internet plan. There''s also the issue of reliable power supply. However, what I''d gain is complete flexbility and lots of memory and cpu power. If I go with a hosting company(shared or VPS), the ongoing cost may be high, plus I would only have very little RAM and disk space. Some of these companies only offer 256MB of RAM. Is that enough for a MySQL-driven website? Would I have complete flexibility to install software such as various RoR gems, RMagick, TinyMce, memcached? I hope to have millions of users one day. I''d appreciate it if you could give me some feedbacks. Thanks in advance. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I''m in the same predicament here, and here are the things to consider 1) Are you trying to run a business? if so, how important is your uptime? If you are charging for a service, uptime becomes very important! If you have lots of downtime, you are opening your business for a lawsuit. Also the fact that your services are down, will disappoint many, and they will be driven away, and you will make no money. 2) Can you provide reliable service at home? Here are things to consider: Connection Speed!!!! We are considering using bonded T1, for a total 3mbps. This might be enough to begin with for us, since we are doing lots of video streaming. But we can increment as needed. The cost though is $850 a month. If you plan to have lots of traffic make sure your connection can handle it, otherwise people will not come back. Have at least two servers instead of one. Go to ebay and get a couple of P4 towers, or just one more to complement your exsisting setup. Keep the same OS and settings in both, and run a daily script to backup all of your data; mysql, ror, etc... Battery Back ups, or a small power generator is a must! Depending in your location, ensure you have enough power, for the rate of power outages with in your area. Make sure you can cover all of the equipment. The other alternative; web hosting with someone else: Tech support is a must, when runnig web apps! If you can not quickly troubleshoot your server, the site goes down, and people will not come back. Can they support your software needs? ROR, Rmagick, Mysql, tinymce, memcached, etc. Can they support your hardware needs? Space, server speeds, connection speeds, all at a price that you can afford? With all that said, shop around here is what I found, they seem to have incredible packages, but I''m still not convienced about their tech support: www.dreamhost.com Hope this helps -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Oct 24, 2006, at 3:22 PM, Donut Donut wrote:> > I''m trying to decide if I should set up my own server at home or I > should use a hosting company for my website. I''m inclined to use a > hosting company at this point because I don''t know have experience > setting up a public facing server that is secure,There''s the rub. You *will* get in over your head. Not if, when. And while it will be a learning experience, you will pull your hair out and it will be generally very uncomfortable when something goes wrong.> plus I would need to > upgrade my internet plan. There''s also the issue of reliable power > supply. However, what I''d gain is complete flexbility and lots of > memory and cpu power.You would also get these benefits from colocation, without having to multi-home Internet connections to your house and install backup generators ;-) In all seriousness, if you''re interested in learning how to set up a secure, stable platform, consider buying a server and using it at home for development and testing. You can then throw it in a colo once you gain experience.> > If I go with a hosting company(shared or VPS), the ongoing cost may be > high, plus I would only have very little RAM and disk space. Some of > these companies only offer 256MB of RAM. Is that enough for a > MySQL-driven website? Would I have complete flexibility to install > software such as various RoR gems, RMagick, TinyMce, memcached? I > hope > to have millions of users one day.On a VPS, you''ll generally have root access and you can install whatever you''d like. As a general rule, if you''re a developer, stick to what you''re good at. I got into the hosting game for a while and it was just too much stress to handle. That''s my $0.02. Brad --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hosting company, unless you want to spend copious amounts of time, and probably money too. Joe -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Donut Donut wrote:> Hi, > > I''m trying to decide if I should set up my own server at home or I > should use a hosting company for my website. I''m inclined to use aHere is my two cents, so take it for what its worth. Buy a Mac Mini. Set it up on your home network to serve out of. Very easy to secure this. Once your system grows beyond this, move the mini to a Mac Mini Colo facility. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Jorge Nolla wrote:> > With all that said, shop around here is what I found, they seem to have > incredible packages, but I''m still not convienced about their tech > support: > > www.dreamhost.com >Dreamhost.com looks pretty good but they currently don''t offer VPS(or they send people to hosting.com for VPS). I''ve sent them an email to see if they''lloffer VPS in the near future. Thanks for the pointer. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Donut Donut wrote:> Hi, > > I''m trying to decide if I should set up my own server at home or I > should use a hosting company for my website. I''m inclined to use a > hosting company at this point because I don''t know have experience > setting up a public facing server that is secure, plus I would need to > upgrade my internet plan. There''s also the issue of reliable power > supply. However, what I''d gain is complete flexbility and lots of > memory and cpu power. > > If I go with a hosting company(shared or VPS), the ongoing cost may be > high, plus I would only have very little RAM and disk space. Some of > these companies only offer 256MB of RAM. Is that enough for a > MySQL-driven website? Would I have complete flexibility to install > software such as various RoR gems, RMagick, TinyMce, memcached? I hope > to have millions of users one day. > > I''d appreciate it if you could give me some feedbacks. Thanks in > advance.By and large, I wouldn''t even consider running a site from your home. It''s probably a violation of the terms of service of your ISP (if you''re in the US) and if you wanted to be in compliance you''d probably have to, as you say, buy a more expensive plan. That would mean an additional monthly charge, which would probably be the same price if not much higher than just using a shared host. You can get a Dreamhost account super-cheap with coupons - it might only cost you $20-$30 for the *year*. If that doesn''t work out, you''re only out $20-$30. If you''re really worried about scalability, MediaTemple just released a GridServer plan that looks very intriguing (although they don''t yet support memcached). I''m going to give them a try: http://www.mediatemple.net/webhosting/gs/ Hope it helps, Tom -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Tom Lianza wrote:> Donut Donut wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I''m trying to decide if I should set up my own server at home or I >> should use a hosting company for my website. I''m inclined to use a >> hosting company at this point because I don''t know have experience >> setting up a public facing server that is secure, plus I would need to >> upgrade my internet plan. There''s also the issue of reliable power >> supply. However, what I''d gain is complete flexbility and lots of >> memory and cpu power. >> >> If I go with a hosting company(shared or VPS), the ongoing cost may be >> high, plus I would only have very little RAM and disk space. Some of >> these companies only offer 256MB of RAM. Is that enough for a >> MySQL-driven website? Would I have complete flexibility to install >> software such as various RoR gems, RMagick, TinyMce, memcached? I hope >> to have millions of users one day. >> >> I''d appreciate it if you could give me some feedbacks. Thanks in >> advance. > > By and large, I wouldn''t even consider running a site from your home. > It''s probably a violation of the terms of service of your ISP (if you''re > in the US) and if you wanted to be in compliance you''d probably have to, > as you say, buy a more expensive plan. That would mean an additional > monthly charge, which would probably be the same price if not much > higher than just using a shared host. > > You can get a Dreamhost account super-cheap with coupons - it might only > cost you $20-$30 for the *year*. If that doesn''t work out, you''re only > out $20-$30. If you''re really worried about scalability, MediaTemple > just released a GridServer plan that looks very intriguing (although > they don''t yet support memcached). I''m going to give them a try: > http://www.mediatemple.net/webhosting/gs/ > > Hope it helps, > TomMediaTemple looks pretty good. It''ll be another 2 months before my site goes to production. If you could give me feedbacks on MediaTemple''s grid server, I''d appreciate it. I don''t know much about server/network configuation and here''s my question - Let''s say my domain is mysite.com. Is it possible to set up my website at one ISP and have my mails for the website, e.g. help-t1rxLZ7CIXjQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org, set up at another ISP? How does that work? If I end up going with a VPS, I''d like to dedicate that VPS to my website and use another ISP for the emails of my domain. Is that possible? Thanks. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
> > > MediaTemple looks pretty good. It''ll be another 2 months before my site > goes to production. If you could give me feedbacks on MediaTemple''s > grid server, I''d appreciate it. > > I don''t know much about server/network configuation and here''s my > question - Let''s say my domain is mysite.com. Is it possible to set up > my website at one ISP and have my mails for the website, e.g. > help-t1rxLZ7CIXjQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org, set up at another ISP? How does that work? If I end > up going with a VPS, I''d like to dedicate that VPS to my website and use > another ISP for the emails of my domain. Is that possible? > > Thanks.Yes, you would just change the MX record for the domain. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
it is possible, it is a matter of indicating the right path in DNS servers On 10/27/06, Donut Donut <rails-mailing-list-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > > Tom Lianza wrote: > > Donut Donut wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> I''m trying to decide if I should set up my own server at home or I > >> should use a hosting company for my website. I''m inclined to use a > >> hosting company at this point because I don''t know have experience > >> setting up a public facing server that is secure, plus I would need to > >> upgrade my internet plan. There''s also the issue of reliable power > >> supply. However, what I''d gain is complete flexbility and lots of > >> memory and cpu power. > >> > >> If I go with a hosting company(shared or VPS), the ongoing cost may be > >> high, plus I would only have very little RAM and disk space. Some of > >> these companies only offer 256MB of RAM. Is that enough for a > >> MySQL-driven website? Would I have complete flexibility to install > >> software such as various RoR gems, RMagick, TinyMce, memcached? I hope > >> to have millions of users one day. > >> > >> I''d appreciate it if you could give me some feedbacks. Thanks in > >> advance. > > > > By and large, I wouldn''t even consider running a site from your home. > > It''s probably a violation of the terms of service of your ISP (if you''re > > in the US) and if you wanted to be in compliance you''d probably have to, > > as you say, buy a more expensive plan. That would mean an additional > > monthly charge, which would probably be the same price if not much > > higher than just using a shared host. > > > > You can get a Dreamhost account super-cheap with coupons - it might only > > cost you $20-$30 for the *year*. If that doesn''t work out, you''re only > > out $20-$30. If you''re really worried about scalability, MediaTemple > > just released a GridServer plan that looks very intriguing (although > > they don''t yet support memcached). I''m going to give them a try: > > http://www.mediatemple.net/webhosting/gs/ > > > > Hope it helps, > > Tom > > > MediaTemple looks pretty good. It''ll be another 2 months before my site > goes to production. If you could give me feedbacks on MediaTemple''s > grid server, I''d appreciate it. > > I don''t know much about server/network configuation and here''s my > question - Let''s say my domain is mysite.com. Is it possible to set up > my website at one ISP and have my mails for the website, e.g. > help-t1rxLZ7CIXjQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org, set up at another ISP? How does that work? If I end > up going with a VPS, I''d like to dedicate that VPS to my website and use > another ISP for the emails of my domain. Is that possible? > > Thanks. > > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > > > >-- Heri R. http://sprinj.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---