Stupid title. Compares new lines of code, active developers, and new projects -- Ruby vs. PHP vs. Python vs. Perl: http://ohloh.net/wiki/articles/php_eats_rails Mildly interesting, I guess... RoR''s project page: http://ohloh.net/projects/34 Joe -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Oct 21, 5:50 pm, Joe Ruby MUDCRAP-CE <rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Stupid title. Compares new lines of code, active developers, and new > projects -- Ruby vs. PHP vs. Python vs. Perl: > > http://ohloh.net/wiki/articles/php_eats_rails > > Mildly interesting, I guess... > > RoR''s project page:http://ohloh.net/projects/34 > > Joe > > -- > Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com/.Actually, here are a few interesting points from the RoR project page. 1. DHH seems to have written (or at least checked in) about 65% of the code himself. 2. Ohloh estimates that RoR should require about 18 man-years of effort to reproduce So lets be conservative here and assume that DHH is responsible for 50% of the effort on rails. This means he personally has generated 9 man-years worth of code in the two years since the repository was created. So somehow one person has managed to do the work of 4-5 coders in a single year. Do you suspect that might be because he drinks too much coffee or because he uses Ruby? Note: Even if these numbers are off by a bit, he''s been very productive compared to whatever standard they are using for determining how many LOC can be produced in one man-year. _Kevin --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
_Kevin wrote:> So somehow one person has managed to do the work of 4-5 coders in a > single year. Do you suspect that might be because he drinks too much > coffee or because he uses Ruby?Both? :P Joe -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Remember DHH is an "Alien of Extraordinary Ability" as far as the US is concerned :-) http://www.loudthinking.com/arc/000522.html http://www.unh.edu/oiss/h_o_tn/o1/ On 10/21/06, _Kevin <kevin.olbrich-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > > > > On Oct 21, 5:50 pm, Joe Ruby MUDCRAP-CE > <rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > Stupid title. Compares new lines of code, active developers, and new > > projects -- Ruby vs. PHP vs. Python vs. Perl: > > > > http://ohloh.net/wiki/articles/php_eats_rails > > > > Mildly interesting, I guess... > > > > RoR''s project page:http://ohloh.net/projects/34 > > > > Joe > > > > -- > > Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com/. > > Actually, here are a few interesting points from the RoR project page. > > 1. DHH seems to have written (or at least checked in) about 65% of the > code himself. > 2. Ohloh estimates that RoR should require about 18 man-years of effort > to reproduce > > So lets be conservative here and assume that DHH is responsible for 50% > of the effort on rails. > This means he personally has generated 9 man-years worth of code in the > two years since the repository was created. > > So somehow one person has managed to do the work of 4-5 coders in a > single year. Do you suspect that might be because he drinks too much > coffee or because he uses Ruby? > > Note: Even if these numbers are off by a bit, he''s been very productive > compared to whatever standard they are using for determining how many > LOC can be produced in one man-year. > > _Kevin > > > > >-- Thanks, -Steve http://www.stevelongdo.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Thats not a good test, LOC... we all know it takes 10 lines of PHP for 1 Ruby line :-P. Seriously though, I had to edit a PHP application recently, REALLY REALLY simple app. Could have been done with 2 controllers, 2 models, and about 6 Views, probably taking under 100 lines of Ruby. The application... was over 3500 LOC (the PHP code only, no HTML), no joke. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
andy.keep-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
2006-Oct-22 12:34 UTC
Re: "PHP Eats Rails for Breakfast"
What a funny comparison. It sort of like saying, almost everyone likes pop music, so you should like pop music too, and we don''t need those other types of music. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Joe Ruby MUDCRAP-CE wrote:> Stupid title. Compares new lines of code, active developers, and new > projects -- Ruby vs. PHP vs. Python vs. Perl: > > http://ohloh.net/wiki/articles/php_eats_rails > > Mildly interesting, I guess... > > RoR''s project page: > http://ohloh.net/projects/34I always wonder about these things. Using the same kind of metrics (let''s pretend it would have been possible) in the mid-1980s, you could have said "BASIC Eats C for Breakfast". It wouldn''t have had any more meaning, though. --Al Evans -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
There was another thread about this article here the other day: http://www.ruby-forum.com/topic/85405 I think Michael Houghton summed it up best: "Looking at all three graphs together you can say that a relatively steady percentage of rails developers is producing a disproportionate number of new projects in a relatively programmer-efficient language, while a fluctuating percentage of PHP developers are contributing more and more code to fewer projects over time." -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Chris Gernon wrote:> There was another thread about this article here the other day: > http://www.ruby-forum.com/topic/85405 > > I think Michael Houghton summed it up best: "Looking at all three graphs > together you can say that a relatively steady percentage of rails > developers is producing a disproportionate number of new projects in a > relatively programmer-efficient language, while a fluctuating percentage > of PHP developers are contributing more and more code to fewer projects > over time." > > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.That''s exactly my idea. What this shows is just the opposite "Rails eats PHP''s breakfast, lunch and dinner." The old viewpoint is that the project is important, or complex, or (choose your adjective here) depending on the number of lines of code. In reality, this hasn''t been a very good comparison for at least 15 or 20 years. The old 4GLs did away with this comparison. I suspect it started with assembly or COBOL and never grew past that. The number of new projects in Ruby (Rails?) is exploding even though the number of lines is not. To me this is the important graph. Who cares about how many hours (and cups of coffee) you''ve put in? What I care about is how good is the result, and how quickly can I create it. So, rather than looking at this report as a downer, I see it as an old-timer who just can''t understand this new fangled music. And, btw, I''m an old-timer too. I just don''t want to work as hard as I have in the past and that''s what has brought me to Ruby and Rails. Phil Mickelson --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
i just started learning RoR since august, even though i still am having trouble understanding some concepts, i feel that i can churn out multiple websites in such a short amount of time. i remember spending a whole semester writing a web app as my senior design project. basically it was written in perl and mysql that was a car database site, sort of like autotrader. well now i can duplicate that site in a few days. thats awesome! -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On 10/21/06, Joe Ruby MUDCRAP-CE <rails-mailing-list-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > Stupid title. Compares new lines of code, active developers, and new > projects -- Ruby vs. PHP vs. Python vs. Perl: > > http://ohloh.net/wiki/articles/php_eats_rails > > Mildly interesting, I guess... > > RoR''s project page: > http://ohloh.net/projects/34It''s just a title designed to gain attention. When I skimmed the article, I saw it contend that there are more PHP programmers and more PHP code than Ruby programmers and code. Wow..there''s some groundbreaking research. *back to work* --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On 23 Oct 2006, at 00:34, Pat Maddox wrote:> On 10/21/06, Joe Ruby MUDCRAP-CE <rails-mailing-list-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> > wrote: >> >> Stupid title. Compares new lines of code, active developers, and new >> projects -- Ruby vs. PHP vs. Python vs. Perl: >> >> http://ohloh.net/wiki/articles/php_eats_rails >> >> Mildly interesting, I guess... >> >> RoR''s project page: >> http://ohloh.net/projects/34 > > It''s just a title designed to gain attention. When I skimmed the > article, I saw it contend that there are more PHP programmers and more > PHP code than Ruby programmers and code. Wow..there''s some > groundbreaking research. *back to work*From my blog round-up of odd links knocking around yesterday: "... this article is getting some digg love right now, thanks to its contentious title. Unfortunately the stats it quotes are completely ridiculous. The main claim is that 5 times more lines of code are being contributed in open source projects in PHP than in Ruby. The author misses the point that this might be because it takes 5 times more LOC to do the same thing in PHP as it does in Ruby. My personal experience is that the factor is more like 10-15 times more lines than in Ruby. Ruby style emphasises elegant one-liners. What’s more “Web 2.0 is being built in PHP” is a moronic statement to make given that most “Web 2.0” applications are close-sourced and therefore not included in the stats. Thankfully they gain some sanity towards the end by pointing out the growth in open source Ruby projects is much higher than those in PHP project, but they’re not prepared to do the basic maths to realise that in fact, PHP is dying relative to Ruby." http://vagueware.com/2006/10/22/sunday-headlines-22nd-october-2006 Like you said, ''back to work''. :-) -- Paul Robinson http://vagueware.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Adding more fuel to the fire, I recalled that someone had run sloloccount on Rails a long time ago and it produced surprising results. Here is a run on edge: Total Physical Source Lines of Code (SLOC) = 62,274 Development Effort Estimate, Person-Years (Person-Months) = 15.31 (183.75) (Basic COCOMO model, Person-Months = 2.4 * (KSLOC**1.05)) Schedule Estimate, Years (Months) = 1.51 (18.13) (Basic COCOMO model, Months = 2.5 * (person-months**0.38)) Estimated Average Number of Developers (Effort/Schedule) = 10.14 Total Estimated Cost to Develop = $ 2,068,539 (average salary = $56,286/year, overhead = 2.40). SLOCCount, Copyright (C) 2001-2004 David A. Wheeler SLOCCount is Open Source Software/Free Software, licensed under the GNU GPL. SLOCCount comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions as specified by the GNU GPL license; see the documentation for details. Please credit this data as "generated using David A. Wheeler''s ''SLOCCount''." Compared to a PHP framework I created Total Physical Source Lines of Code (SLOC) = 41,755 Development Effort Estimate, Person-Years (Person-Months) = 10.06 (120.77) (Basic COCOMO model, Person-Months = 2.4 * (KSLOC**1.05)) Schedule Estimate, Years (Months) = 1.29 (15.46) (Basic COCOMO model, Months = 2.5 * (person-months**0.38)) Estimated Average Number of Developers (Effort/Schedule) = 7.81 Total Estimated Cost to Develop = $ 1,359,520 (average salary = $56,286/year, overhead = 2.40). SLOCCount, Copyright (C) 2001-2004 David A. Wheeler SLOCCount is Open Source Software/Free Software, licensed under the GNU GPL. SLOCCount comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions as specified by the GNU GPL license; see the documentation for details. Please credit this data as "generated using David A. Wheeler''s ''SLOCCount''." I know what my framework does and it doesn''t do half what Rails does. One inference is that by COCOMO estimates, which are relatively well thought of, two somewhat similar projects show that Rails appears to defy the statistics. It is important to emphasize that fact: Ruby and Rails do not fit metrics based on LOC and it''s somewhat dubious whether the other projects I''ve measured fit well either. Does anyone use this tool and can anyone illuminate this interpretation? On Oct 22, 2006, at 10:44 PM, Paul Robinson wrote:> > On 23 Oct 2006, at 00:34, Pat Maddox wrote: > >> On 10/21/06, Joe Ruby MUDCRAP-CE <rails-mailing-list-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> >> wrote: >>> >>> Stupid title. Compares new lines of code, active developers, and new >>> projects -- Ruby vs. PHP vs. Python vs. Perl: >>> >>> http://ohloh.net/wiki/articles/php_eats_rails >>> >>> Mildly interesting, I guess... >>> >>> RoR''s project page: >>> http://ohloh.net/projects/34 >> >> It''s just a title designed to gain attention. When I skimmed the >> article, I saw it contend that there are more PHP programmers and >> more >> PHP code than Ruby programmers and code. Wow..there''s some >> groundbreaking research. *back to work* > > From my blog round-up of odd links knocking around yesterday: > > "... this article is getting some digg love right now, thanks to its > contentious title. Unfortunately the stats it quotes are completely > ridiculous. > The main claim is that 5 times more lines of code are being > contributed in open source projects in PHP than in Ruby. The author > misses the point that this might be because it takes 5 times more LOC > to do the same thing in PHP as it does in Ruby. My personal > experience is that the factor is more like 10-15 times more lines > than in Ruby. Ruby style emphasises elegant one-liners. > > What’s more “Web 2.0 is being built in PHP” is a moronic statement to > make given that most “Web 2.0” applications are close-sourced and > therefore not included in the stats. Thankfully they gain some sanity > towards the end by pointing out the growth in open source Ruby > projects is much higher than those in PHP project, but they’re not > prepared to do the basic maths to realise that in fact, PHP is dying > relative to Ruby." > > http://vagueware.com/2006/10/22/sunday-headlines-22nd-october-2006 > > Like you said, ''back to work''. :-) > > -- > Paul Robinson > http://vagueware.com > > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
s.ross wrote:> Adding more fuel to the fire, I recalled that someone had run > sloloccount on Rails a long time ago and it produced surprising > results. Here is a run on edge: > > Total Physical Source Lines of Code (SLOC) = 62,274 > Development Effort Estimate, Person-Years (Person-Months) = 15.31 > (183.75) > (Basic COCOMO model, Person-Months = 2.4 * (KSLOC**1.05)) > Schedule Estimate, Years (Months) = 1.51 (18.13) > (Basic COCOMO model, Months = 2.5 * (person-months**0.38)) > Estimated Average Number of Developers (Effort/Schedule) = 10.14 > Total Estimated Cost to Develop = $ 2,068,539 > (average salary = $56,286/year, overhead = 2.40). > SLOCCount, Copyright (C) 2001-2004 David A. Wheeler > SLOCCount is Open Source Software/Free Software, licensed under the > GNU GPL. > SLOCCount comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, and you are welcome to > redistribute it under certain conditions as specified by the GNU GPL > license; > see the documentation for details. > Please credit this data as "generated using David A. Wheeler''s > ''SLOCCount''." > > Compared to a PHP framework I created > > Total Physical Source Lines of Code (SLOC) = 41,755 > Development Effort Estimate, Person-Years (Person-Months) = 10.06 > (120.77) > (Basic COCOMO model, Person-Months = 2.4 * (KSLOC**1.05)) > Schedule Estimate, Years (Months) = 1.29 (15.46) > (Basic COCOMO model, Months = 2.5 * (person-months**0.38)) > Estimated Average Number of Developers (Effort/Schedule) = 7.81 > Total Estimated Cost to Develop = $ 1,359,520 > (average salary = $56,286/year, overhead = 2.40). > SLOCCount, Copyright (C) 2001-2004 David A. Wheeler > SLOCCount is Open Source Software/Free Software, licensed under the > GNU GPL. > SLOCCount comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, and you are welcome to > redistribute it under certain conditions as specified by the GNU GPL > license; > see the documentation for details. > Please credit this data as "generated using David A. Wheeler''s > ''SLOCCount''." > > I know what my framework does and it doesn''t do half what Rails does. > One inference is that by COCOMO estimates, which are relatively well > thought of, two somewhat similar projects show that Rails appears to > defy the statistics. It is important to emphasize that fact: Ruby and > Rails do not fit metrics based on LOC and it''s somewhat dubious > whether the other projects I''ve measured fit well either. > > Does anyone use this tool and can anyone illuminate this interpretation? > > > On Oct 22, 2006, at 10:44 PM, Paul Robinson wrote: > > > > > On 23 Oct 2006, at 00:34, Pat Maddox wrote: > > > >> On 10/21/06, Joe Ruby MUDCRAP-CE <rails-mailing-list-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Stupid title. Compares new lines of code, active developers, and new > >>> projects -- Ruby vs. PHP vs. Python vs. Perl: > >>> > >>> http://ohloh.net/wiki/articles/php_eats_rails > >>> > >>> Mildly interesting, I guess... > >>> > >>> RoR''s project page: > >>> http://ohloh.net/projects/34 > >> > >> It''s just a title designed to gain attention. When I skimmed the > >> article, I saw it contend that there are more PHP programmers and > >> more > >> PHP code than Ruby programmers and code. Wow..there''s some > >> groundbreaking research. *back to work* > > > > From my blog round-up of odd links knocking around yesterday: > > > > "... this article is getting some digg love right now, thanks to its > > contentious title. Unfortunately the stats it quotes are completely > > ridiculous. > > The main claim is that 5 times more lines of code are being > > contributed in open source projects in PHP than in Ruby. The author > > misses the point that this might be because it takes 5 times more LOC > > to do the same thing in PHP as it does in Ruby. My personal > > experience is that the factor is more like 10-15 times more lines > > than in Ruby. Ruby style emphasises elegant one-liners. > > > > What''s more "Web 2.0 is being built in PHP" is a moronic statement to > > make given that most "Web 2.0" applications are close-sourced and > > therefore not included in the stats. Thankfully they gain some sanity > > towards the end by pointing out the growth in open source Ruby > > projects is much higher than those in PHP project, but they''re not > > prepared to do the basic maths to realise that in fact, PHP is dying > > relative to Ruby." > > > > http://vagueware.com/2006/10/22/sunday-headlines-22nd-october-2006 > > > > Like you said, ''back to work''. :-) > > > > -- > > Paul Robinson > > http://vagueware.com > >Do the COCOMO statistics seem accurate for your PHP framework? How long was that actually in development? _Kevin --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. 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> Nowhere near that long. That''s the point. The stats aren''t > reflective of reality and the "eats for breakfast" article relies > on stats. The site was under development 1 guy 2.5 years, 10% effort.> <snip>> Do the COCOMO statistics seem accurate for your PHP framework? How > long was that actually in development? > > _Kevin > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---