Michael Wisniewski
2006-Sep-22 15:26 UTC
Newbie: Models and Views and Controllers, oh my...
Hi! I am very new to Ruby on Rails; I just started this week and I''m struggling to try to understand it. I''ve read the LAMP tutorial along with Amy''s, and started reading the Agile Web Developer book. I am having some problems though. First off, I am very (still) confused about Models, Views, and Controllers. From my understanding, views are what the end user sees. Models do database stuff and Controllers is the space between Views and Models. Basically, it tells the database to import data, check/validate data, etc. Am I on the right path so far? When creating a Rails app, you run ''ruby script/generate <something>''. The something being either model, controller, or scaffold. How do you know which one to run? Is there one that just creates all three (model, view, and controller)? I''m sure I''m going to have a bunch more questions later, but I just need a little kick to start going first. Thanks! Mike -- View my blog! http://wiz561.blogspot.com/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
The next step we recommend to everyone is to read the book "Agile Development with Ruby on Rails". It will answer all of your questions. models : represent data / control access to data (create read update delete) / validate data / contain all business logic controllers: route user requests to models views: the user screens. A User model has methods that let me find all users in the system. A User controller has a method that allows a user to request a list of users by calling this URL: user/list This controller invokes the method on the User model to retrieve the users into a variable. A list view (located in views/user/list.rhtml) then contains the code that displays the results by using the variable set in the controller. That''s pretty much all there is to models, views, and controllers... but read the book. It''s valuable to newcomers. On 9/22/06, Michael Wisniewski <wiz561-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > Hi! > > I am very new to Ruby on Rails; I just started this week and I''m > struggling to try to understand it. I''ve read the LAMP tutorial along with > Amy''s, and started reading the Agile Web Developer book. > > I am having some problems though. First off, I am very (still) > confused about Models, Views, and Controllers. From my understanding, views > are what the end user sees. Models do database stuff and Controllers is the > space between Views and Models. Basically, it tells the database to import > data, check/validate data, etc. Am I on the right path so far? > > When creating a Rails app, you run ''ruby script/generate > <something>''. The something being either model, controller, or scaffold. > How do you know which one to run? Is there one that just creates all three > (model, view, and controller)? > > I''m sure I''m going to have a bunch more questions later, but I just > need a little kick to start going first. > > > Thanks! > Mike > > -- > View my blog! > http://wiz561.blogspot.com/ > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Definitely read the book. Twice. =) if you create a table in a database, set up config/database.yml with your DB info, and do ruby script/generate scaffold [table name] it will generate your model, controller and several views(for CRUD functions) the first time I tried that while learning rails and going through AWDWR, it blew my mind. =) Jason Michael Wisniewski wrote:> Hi! > > I am very new to Ruby on Rails; I just started this week and I''m > struggling to try to understand it. I''ve read the LAMP tutorial along > with Amy''s, and started reading the Agile Web Developer book. > > I am having some problems though. First off, I am very (still) > confused about Models, Views, and Controllers. From my understanding, > views are what the end user sees. Models do database stuff and > Controllers is the space between Views and Models. Basically, it > tells the database to import data, check/validate data, etc. Am I on > the right path so far? > > When creating a Rails app, you run ''ruby script/generate > <something>''. The something being either model, controller, or > scaffold. How do you know which one to run? Is there one that just > creates all three (model, view, and controller)? > > I''m sure I''m going to have a bunch more questions later, but I > just need a little kick to start going first. > > > Thanks! > Mike > > -- > View my blog! > http://wiz561.blogspot.com/ > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
wiz561-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
2006-Sep-22 16:52 UTC
Re: Newbie: Models and Views and Controllers, oh my...
What is AWDWR? I picked up the Agile Development w/ Ruby Rails book and started going through it. But, I have to agree with you, maybe I should read it twice...or three times. I feel like there''s a LOT of power using Ruby on Rails and that is why I really want to learn it. But at the same time, it''s hard giving up PHP because that''s what I know. Looks like I have some reading to do this weekend!!! Thanks for your help, Mike --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Learn Ruby first. Programming Ruby (commonly referred to as the Pickaxe book) 1st ed.: http://www.rubycentral.com/book/ or http://www.ruby-doc.org/docs/ProgrammingRuby/ 2nd ed.: http://pragmaticprogrammer.com/titles/ruby/index.html Then learn Rails. Agile Web Development with Rails (commonly referred to as AWDWR) 1st ed: check your favorite local or online book store 2nd ed: http://www.pragmaticprogrammer.com/title/rails/ You''ll be a happier person. Once you have the basics you can supplement your self-education with blogs, wikis, forums, irc, etc. Oh and experiment. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Dominique Plante
2006-Sep-23 07:47 UTC
Re: Newbie: Models and Views and Controllers, oh my...
Welcome to Rails!!!! About Models, Views, and Controllers.... These concepts are things that make up the MVC architectural pattern. The benefit of doing MVC is that it helps separate logic and responsibility in applications... Compare the architecture shown in this blog posting on application layering by Keith Ray - http://homepage.mac.com/keithray/blog/2006/09/22/ - and think of the model view and controller as being different layers (View sits on top of controller sits on top of model).... The goal in MVC is for models to be completely non-dependent from views, and making it possible to have different views against the same model. Yes, views are essentially what the user sees... The best way to understand the interaction, and responsibilities is to consider what happens when a user makes a request... Let''s say you''ve done scaffolding properly on a User, you could implement a User_Admin controller, and to edit an existing User entry, you would follow a link like this http://localhost:3000/user_admin/edit/1 (let''s assume you''ve done all of the following basic steps which you generally need to do when creating any new rails app: 1. rails <appName> 2. edit config\database.yml 3. ruby script\generate model <aModel> 4. edit auto-generated migration in db\migration 5. run ''rake migrate'' 6. create controllers using a syntax like: ruby script\generate controller MyController index find 7 create some views 8. run ruby script\server to run your web app locally 9. browse http://localhost:3000/<controller_name> to see your app running created a basic User model, updated the migration to create a table with the right columns, run the migration, then created some basic scaffolding, run WEBrick locally What rails when the user makes the request is look for a controller with the name of ''user_admin'', then within this controller, the action ''edit''. Let''s say you had the User_Admin_Controller controller class with the action edit, who''s job is to retrieve a user to be edited, you''d probably want code that looks like this (scaffolding writes this for you) class User_Admin_Controller < ApplicationController def edit @user = User.find(params[:id]) # retrieve the user with the given ID from the model end end So in the controller, we use the User ActiveRecord to get a User object. Note that models can be plain old classes, they don''t have to be ActiveRecord classes. The advantage of an ActiveRecord class in Rails is that it is very easy to save their state to a database. After the controller action is invoked, rails then tries to find a view with the same name as the action (in this case, it would look in /app/views/User_Admin/edit.rhtml) When you initialize instance variables in controllers, like @user = ... or @welcome_string = "hello there", in views you can display those values using the notation <%= @user %> or <%= welcome_string %>.... The view''s job then becomes about displaying the appropriate data obtained from the controller, and to also make it possible for the user to further interact with your application (more links, buttons, etc) Hope this helps!!! Dominique Michael Wisniewski wrote:> Hi! > > I am very new to Ruby on Rails; I just started this week and I''m > struggling to try to understand it. I''ve read the LAMP tutorial along > with > Amy''s, and started reading the Agile Web Developer book. > > I am having some problems though. First off, I am very (still) > confused > about Models, Views, and Controllers. From my understanding, views are > what > the end user sees. Models do database stuff and Controllers is the > space > between Views and Models. Basically, it tells the database to import > data, > check/validate data, etc. Am I on the right path so far? > > When creating a Rails app, you run ''ruby script/generate > <something>''. > The something being either model, controller, or scaffold. How do you > know > which one to run? Is there one that just creates all three (model, > view, > and controller)? > > I''m sure I''m going to have a bunch more questions later, but I just > need a little kick to start going first. > > > Thanks! > Mike > > -- > View my blog! > http://wiz561.blogspot.com/-- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
wiz561-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
2006-Sep-25 19:54 UTC
Re: Newbie: Models and Views and Controllers, oh my...
Ah, this helps a little too. Thank you very much for taking the time to write. I read a lot of the "Pragmatic Programmers - Programming Ruby", second edition. After getting through most of the book this weekend, and how I started to read the "Agile Web Development with Rails" book last week, I''m still a little confused....book-wise. There''s a book on how to learn ruby, which is great. But, like learning any language, I find that they are all similar, it''s just a matter of learning the syntax. Now, the problem. It seems like the first book (learning Ruby) is good, but doesn''t talk much about databases. Now the second book (AWDwR) is good, but jumps into databases too quickly. Too bad there isn''t something in the middle....or is there? Thanks! --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
dblack-TKXtfPMJ4Ozk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org
2006-Sep-25 21:44 UTC
Re: Newbie: Models and Views and Controllers, oh my...
Hi -- On Mon, 25 Sep 2006, wiz561-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote:> > Ah, this helps a little too. Thank you very much for taking the time > to write. > > I read a lot of the "Pragmatic Programmers - Programming Ruby", second > edition. After getting through most of the book this weekend, and how > I started to read the "Agile Web Development with Rails" book last > week, I''m still a little confused....book-wise. > > There''s a book on how to learn ruby, which is great. But, like > learning any language, I find that they are all similar, it''s just a > matter of learning the syntax. > > Now, the problem. It seems like the first book (learning Ruby) is > good, but doesn''t talk much about databases. Now the second book > (AWDwR) is good, but jumps into databases too quickly. Too bad there > isn''t something in the middle....or is there?I''m not sure I''d describe it as being in the middle, as regards the two Dave Thomas books -- it''s really a different kind of take on the subject matter -- but you might get some mileage out of my book "Ruby for Rails". It''s essentially a presentation of Ruby, optimized for the special focuses and concerns of the Rails developer. David -- David A. Black | dblack-TKXtfPMJ4Ozk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org Author of "Ruby for Rails" [1] | Ruby/Rails training & consultancy [3] DABlog (DAB''s Weblog) [2] | Co-director, Ruby Central, Inc. [4] [1] http://www.manning.com/black | [3] http://www.rubypowerandlight.com [2] http://dablog.rubypal.com | [4] http://www.rubycentral.org --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
wiz561-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
2006-Sep-26 16:10 UTC
Re: Newbie: Models and Views and Controllers, oh my...
Alright, I started to look at yet, another book, and I think I found the winner. The "Ruby on Rails: Up and Running" book from Curt Hibbs and Bruce Tate seems to be, at least for me, the bridge between "Pragmatic Programmers - Programming Ruby" and AWDwR. I haven''t been through the whole book yet, but just going through some of the example chapters, I thought was awesome. It explains how to get your database configured and the relationships created. And best of all, it all pretty much makes sense. I think if I go through the book another time or two, it will make a LOT more sense. If nobody has seen it, definiately pick it up. It just came out and it''s from O''Reilly. Thanks! --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On 9/26/06, wiz561-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org <wiz561-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > > Alright, I started to look at yet, another book, and I think I found > the winner. > > The "Ruby on Rails: Up and Running" book from Curt Hibbs and Bruce Tate > seems to be, at least for me, the bridge between "Pragmatic Programmers > - Programming Ruby" and AWDwR. > > I haven''t been through the whole book yet, but just going through some > of the example chapters, I thought was awesome. It explains how to get > your database configured and the relationships created. And best of > all, it all pretty much makes sense. > > I think if I go through the book another time or two, it will make a > LOT more sense. If nobody has seen it, definiately pick it up. It > just came out and it''s from O''Reilly.Thanks for the compliment, I''m really glad you are finding the book helpful. If you feel so inclined, it''d be nice if you could post some review comments on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/0596101325/ref=s9_asin_title_1/104-0132011-7007920 Curt --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---