Rails - Sep 2006 - [Off-topic] What is the market rate for Ruby on Rails jobs?

Hello,

I''m currently in the market for a full-time position and saw a job  
opening for a ruby on rails developer in the area (north-west US).  
The position pays between $40k and $45k / year. This seemed pretty  
low to me, but then, I''m not really aware of what the going rate is.  
I can take other jobs (asp.NET, PHP, C, etc..) but would rather work  
with ruby on rails. Am I setting my hopes to high expecting to earn  
more than $45k / year?

Thanks,
Carl

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On Sep 5, 2006, at 3:35 PM, Carl Lerche wrote:
> I''m currently in the market for a full-time position and saw a job
> opening for a ruby on rails developer in the area (north-west US).
> The position pays between $40k and $45k / year. This seemed pretty
> low to me, but then, I''m not really aware of what the going rate
is.
> I can take other jobs (asp.NET, PHP, C, etc..) but would rather work
> with ruby on rails. Am I setting my hopes to high expecting to earn
> more than $45k / year?
I''m a part owner in Quality Humans, Inc. and we have several positions
available around the country that pay far better than that, in great
locations around the country including Nashville, San Francisco, and
Santa Barbara.

Two things to note here:

1) There is no "market" for Ruby on Rails developers. There is,
    on the other hand, a tremendous shortage of talented people
    that know RoR and get results using it. Our customers are NOT
    interested in this time at anyone below top-notch highly
    qualified individuals.

2) Each individual is a market of one. While we find that rates
    for individuals with particular skill sets do vary over time,
    we find it ever increasing true that employers are focusing
    more and more on talented and productive individuals than they
    are on lists of skills.

The idea that I''m laboring to get across is that *you* are worth
*exactly* what *you* can convince someone else you''re worth. The
very core of the capitalistic society that we live in is based on
that very premise.

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Tom Mornini wrote:
> On Sep 5, 2006, at 3:35 PM, Carl Lerche wrote:
> 
>> I''m currently in the market for a full-time position and saw a
job
>> opening for a ruby on rails developer in the area (north-west US).
>> The position pays between $40k and $45k / year. This seemed pretty
>> low to me, but then, I''m not really aware of what the going
rate is.
>> I can take other jobs (asp.NET, PHP, C, etc..) but would rather work
>> with ruby on rails. Am I setting my hopes to high expecting to earn
>> more than $45k / year?
> 
> I''m a part owner in Quality Humans, Inc. and we have several
positions
> available around the country that pay far better than that, in great
> locations around the country including Nashville, San Francisco, and
> Santa Barbara.
> 
> Two things to note here:
> 
> 1) There is no "market" for Ruby on Rails developers. There is,
>     on the other hand, a tremendous shortage of talented people
>     that know RoR and get results using it. Our customers are NOT
>     interested in this time at anyone below top-notch highly
>     qualified individuals.
> 
> 2) Each individual is a market of one. While we find that rates
>     for individuals with particular skill sets do vary over time,
>     we find it ever increasing true that employers are focusing
>     more and more on talented and productive individuals than they
>     are on lists of skills.
> 
> The idea that I''m laboring to get across is that *you* are worth
> *exactly* what *you* can convince someone else you''re worth. The
> very core of the capitalistic society that we live in is based on
> that very premise.
> 
> --
> -- Tom Mornini
Tom-

Just curious, what characteristics do you look for to identify 
"top-notch highly qualified individuals."

Joe

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Tom Mornini wrote:
> 
> 1) There is no "market" for Ruby on Rails developers. There is,
>     on the other hand, a tremendous shortage of talented people
>     that know RoR and get results using it. Our customers are NOT
>     interested in this time at anyone below top-notch highly
>     qualified individuals.
> 
> 2) Each individual is a market of one. While we find that rates
>     for individuals with particular skill sets do vary over time,
>     we find it ever increasing true that employers are focusing
>     more and more on talented and productive individuals than they
>     are on lists of skills.
> 
Strictly out of curiosity, in filling positions for disciplines other 
than RoR, do you find that your customers are interested in hiring 
less-qualified, non-top-notch individuals? How would your answer have 
differed had the OP been asking about Perl, PHP, Java, or anything else 
besides RoR?

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On Sep 5, 2006, at 5:49 PM, Joe Ruby wrote:
> Tom Mornini wrote:
>> On Sep 5, 2006, at 3:35 PM, Carl Lerche wrote:
>>
>>> I''m currently in the market for a full-time position and
saw a job
>>> opening for a ruby on rails developer in the area (north-west US).
>>> The position pays between $40k and $45k / year. This seemed pretty
>>> low to me, but then, I''m not really aware of what the
going rate is.
>>> I can take other jobs (asp.NET, PHP, C, etc..) but would rather
work
>>> with ruby on rails. Am I setting my hopes to high expecting to earn
>>> more than $45k / year?
>>
>> I''m a part owner in Quality Humans, Inc. and we have several  
>> positions
>> available around the country that pay far better than that, in great
>> locations around the country including Nashville, San Francisco, and
>> Santa Barbara.
>>
>> Two things to note here:
>>
>> 1) There is no "market" for Ruby on Rails developers. There
is,
>>     on the other hand, a tremendous shortage of talented people
>>     that know RoR and get results using it. Our customers are NOT
>>     interested in this time at anyone below top-notch highly
>>     qualified individuals.
>
> Just curious, what characteristics do you look for to identify
> "top-notch highly qualified individuals."
Generally speaking, we find employers rate people on these points,
weighted highest to lowest importance:

1) Enthusiasm and passion (within limits!) is highly desirable.
    No negativity allowed. If every place you''ve ever worked have
    sucked, and all the managers and co-workers you''ve ever worked
    with were idiots, you''ll not get through our screening. This
    is very hard to fake, by the way, as it comes out in millions
    of ways.

2) General social fit and wide outlook beyond technology. They''re
    looking for people that get along with and communicate well with
    other people. Written skills are *highly* important. We do not
    ever pass people through who don''t know (or don''t use)
punctuation,
    capitalization, spelling, etc. An ideal candidate could demonstrate
    killer technical skills during a technical interview, then be fun,
    interesting, and engaged in a current events discussion during
    dinner.

3) Deep technical skill, rather than wide. Do you know 22 languages
    inside out, and use them daily? Thanks for applying. Have you used
    22 languages in your career but only 2-3 in the last 8 years?
    You''re what they''re looking for.

4) Domain specific knowledge that matches the employers current need.

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On Sep 5, 2006, at 6:06 PM, Francis Cianfrocca wrote:
> Tom Mornini wrote:
>
>> 1) There is no "market" for Ruby on Rails developers. There
is,
>>     on the other hand, a tremendous shortage of talented people
>>     that know RoR and get results using it. Our customers are NOT
>>     interested in this time at anyone below top-notch highly
>>     qualified individuals.
>>
>> 2) Each individual is a market of one. While we find that rates
>>     for individuals with particular skill sets do vary over time,
>>     we find it ever increasing true that employers are focusing
>>     more and more on talented and productive individuals than they
>>     are on lists of skills.
>
> Strictly out of curiosity, in filling positions for disciplines other
> than RoR, do you find that your customers are interested in hiring
> less-qualified, non-top-notch individuals? How would your answer have
> differed had the OP been asking about Perl, PHP, Java, or anything  
> else
> besides RoR?
We are highly focused. We used to be all about Perl, but RoR changed our
ways. We''ve been particularly well suited for employers seeking  
employees
to help convert a Perl application into an RoR application.

To answer your question indirectly, let me say that we cut about 90% of
applicants up front. Now, I *know* those people are working somewhere,
but they''re just not working for our customers. :-)

The general sense that I get is that cutting edge employers that have
decided on Rails are really looking for those top-notch folks that have
always been desirable. Yet, they''re *not* looking for lesser folks to
fill in underneath those top coders. This time around, they''re going
for small teams of talented people who can go out an bury their
competition.

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Tom Mornini wrote:
 >
> We are highly focused. We used to be all about Perl, but RoR changed our
> ways. We''ve been particularly well suited for employers seeking
> employees
> to help convert a Perl application into an RoR application.
> 
With all due respect, you''re telling us more about yourself than about 
the general state of the Rails labor market. I care about the latter, 
but not about the former.

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Tom Mornini wrote:
>     If every place you''ve ever worked have
>     sucked, and all the managers and co-workers you''ve ever worked
>     with were idiots, you''ll not get through our screening.
But what if it''s really *true*?

:-)

Jeff
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On Sep 5, 2006, at 7:13 PM, Francis Cianfrocca wrote:
> Tom Mornini wrote:
>>
>> We are highly focused. We used to be all about Perl, but RoR  
>> changed our
>> ways. We''ve been particularly well suited for employers
seeking
>> employees to help convert a Perl application into an RoR application.
>
> With all due respect, you''re telling us more about yourself than
about
> the general state of the Rails labor market. I care about the latter,
> but not about the former.
Sorry about that. I was just trying to answer Francis Cianfrocca''s  
question:
> Strictly out of curiosity, in filling positions for disciplines other
> than RoR, do you find that your customers are interested in hiring
> less-qualified, non-top-notch individuals? How would your answer have
> differed had the OP been asking about Perl, PHP, Java, or anything  
> else
> besides RoR?
My point being that we''re focused, so I''m *not* a highly
reliable source
of general Rails job market data, if there even is such a thing.

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Jeff wrote:
> 
> Tom Mornini wrote:
>>     If every place you''ve ever worked have
>>     sucked, and all the managers and co-workers you''ve ever
worked
>>     with were idiots, you''ll not get through our screening.
> 
> But what if it''s really *true*?
> 
> :-)
What did you do about it :-)

   Justin

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Carl Lerche wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I''m currently in the market for a full-time position and saw a job
> opening for a ruby on rails developer in the area (north-west US).
> The position pays between $40k and $45k / year. This seemed pretty
> low to me, but then, I''m not really aware of what the going rate
is.
> I can take other jobs (asp.NET, PHP, C, etc..) but would rather work
> with ruby on rails. Am I setting my hopes to high expecting to earn
> more than $45k / year?
> 
> Thanks,
> Carl
+1 on the original question.  I''ve been doing other types of
development
for around twenty years, and now have become infected with Rails and 
would like to make that my next career.  I would love to hear from 
somebody other than Tom about the typical rates people are making for 
full time Rails jobs.  I believe that Tom''s info is true in the same
way
that it is true that most of the people reading this are more 
technically adept than Bill Gates, so we all ought to be that 
rich...right?  Not all of us are skilled in marketing ourselves.

So, to get back to reality, what is the "going rate" for Rails
Software
Engineers.  Just looking for an accurate answer to a simple question.  I 
believe the OP was after the same.

best,
jp

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On 9/6/06, Jeff Pritchard
<rails-mailing-list-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
> +1 on the original question.  I''ve been doing other types of
development
> for around twenty years, and now have become infected with Rails and
> would like to make that my next career.  I would love to hear from
> somebody other than Tom about the typical rates people are making for
> full time Rails jobs.  I believe that Tom''s info is true in the
same way
> that it is true that most of the people reading this are more
> technically adept than Bill Gates, so we all ought to be that
> rich...right?  Not all of us are skilled in marketing ourselves.
>
> So, to get back to reality, what is the "going rate" for Rails
Software
> Engineers.  Just looking for an accurate answer to a simple question.  I
> believe the OP was after the same.
>
> best,
> jp
>
It depends.  For the most part, _your_ going rate for Rails work is
how much you can successfully get paid for doing rails work.  Its like
any other software job - it depends on location, skill set, supply and
demand, the type of work, the company, other benefits included, etc,
etc.  There is no one true "going rate".

- rob
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On Tue, 2006-09-05 at 19:17 -0700, Jeff wrote:
> 
> Tom Mornini wrote:
> >     If every place you''ve ever worked have
> >     sucked, and all the managers and co-workers you''ve ever
worked
> >     with were idiots, you''ll not get through our screening.
> 
> But what if it''s really *true*?
----
find a really positive spin on how you got out of a situation that was
less than optimal

Craig


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Hi,

I believe the answers are ambiguous because there must not be an answer! 
The answers given are true of any field.  Tech publications publish 
"median, high and low" rates for many programming languages.  The OP
is
trying to figure out if Rails has published numbers or if people out 
here in the community would be willing to share what they are receiving 
(roughly).  I believe it is a fair question and hopefully someone will 
give some sort of guidance.

I have the same questions, but from a consultant basis, not an employee 
basis.  I have spoken with a few consulting firms that do rails work and 
when I throw out my rate they have kicked right back and said that those 
aren''t what they are seeing.  My expectations may be unrealistic, but I
desire over $100 per hour.  This is probably low for DHH but high for a 
good number of people.  I can assure you that I''m less intelligent,
less
creative and overall more high maintenance than probably 98% of the 
people on this list.  Regardless, I have my desires and when I don''t
get
them, I do something different - which is why I''m now on Rails and 
shipping cars instead of building claims processing systems for 
insurance companies!  :-) (www.crmonrails.com)  BTW, shipping cars is 
not nearly as fun as writing software all day!  But so far, it isn''t 
outsourced!  :-) (read:  my job went to ... and I''m horrible at 
marketing myself.)

That said, I believe the following to be true without a single ounce of 
evidence:

1)  Full-time employment - Limited options for Rails only.  Look at the 
37Signals board to find potential employers.  Life will be easier if you 
have been in open source community for a while and have something in 
addition to Rails to offer.

2)  Consulting - ~50 to ~75 per hour for Rails projects for the "above 
average person."  Options probably unlimited for the guru''s out
there.

3)  Make your own - Roll out your own product/website/etc... and enjoy 
the fruits of your labor.  Rails has made it very possible for non-web 
people to build really cool web apps and there is a lot of opportunity 
for those with a little perseverance and skill.

4)  Two years from now we won''t have these questions.  Rails will exit 
the early adopter phase and opportunities will be all over the place. 
The people writing rails based open source apps, plug-ins, helpers, 
etc... now are going to be very busy and have to turn down gigs.

The above points are opinion only and based on speculative beliefs that 
I feel are true.  I hope they are accurate because I am taking a gamble 
on this framework based on my beliefs.

Finally - are you good?  Are you worth more than 45K per year?  Prove 
it!  Give something cool to the community.  Take the time to build 
something really helpful.  Respond to questions.  Do whatever to get 
yourself known.  This will support your resume if you even need a resume 
to find a job.

Regards,

Michael

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I currently make a great living at Rails development, exclusivly, and have
been for the last 6 months. I personally provide a unique skill-set in the
fact that I am a designer and artist that can code a few web languages. I
ran into the same situation that everyone is speaking of and there being no
real bar set for pricing and what not. How I went about it was by looking a
geographic area and what I wanted from Rails work. The compromise was this.

1) I live in a geographic area that housing prices are not that high with
regards to other areas of our country (I''m in SW Pennsylvania, US). I
do own
a house and have ambitions to improve both my investments here as well as my
life-style in general. These thing weighed in heavily on where I set my
prices.

2) I did not want to have to travel every morning to get to a job. I have
more computing power for development and staging of web applications here
without the "job site" restrictions usually to be had in corporate
life.
Plus with a new renovated studio space for myself the surroundings and
general comfort was a given for me. This, I knew would not allow me to
command as high a fee than if I would be willing to consult on site.

3) I looked at my recent background as a PHP developer and User Interface
designer and what I made then (this was my last on site) and then looked at
my background as an *NIX administrator and network designer. 12 years ago
this is where my career started an is prevalent now as it was then,
especially being that I had to be my own support staff.

Those points can be taken and modified as per your skill sets and general
experiences, the best thing I was told way back in the days of the dot bust
with contracting and career moves such as these what, "What will make you
happy, and is it worth it for the experience to get you to where you want to
be". I don''t believe there is an ideal price nor do I believe
there is a
wrong answer. But don''t forget to look at where you live and how you
want to
live, make sure you will be comfortable. I know guys that command $20 to $30
more on a per hour rate than me in the New York and San Fran areas, but know
a girl that gets less in the mid-west. I''m comfortable and happy with
what I
get.

One final point, raise your rates / ask for a promotion every year,
inflation sucks and will get you quickly, especially now with the fuel
crunches. That''s my $.02, take it for just that.

J "Brien" | HybridIndie Productions | http://hybridindie.com |
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Hey Folks:

Discussions concerning pricing for services should be avoided in public 
forums such as this, due to the potential for them to be construed as 
price-fixing under U.S. and Canadian (and perhaps other countries as 
well) law.

Some links to other sites with more comprehensive explanations:


http://www.webdeveloper.com/forum/pricing_faq.html
http://www.hwg.org/resources/faqs/priceFAQ.html
http://www.sfwow.org/pages/join/pricingdisc.html
http://www.flightweb.com/staticpages/index.php?page=flightmed-rate-faq


I''m really NOT trying to be a downer here. :)

c.

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On 9/8/06, Cayce Balara
<rails-mailing-list-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
>
> Hey Folks:
>
> Discussions concerning pricing for services should be avoided in public
> forums such as this, due to the potential for them to be construed as
> price-fixing under U.S. and Canadian (and perhaps other countries as
> well) law.
Hmm.. I don''t know how it is there. But here in Iceland, although
price fixing is illegal, it is completely legal to say what salaries
you yourself are getting. It''s actually illegal to have a confidential
clause conserning your salary in a contract.


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Carl Lerche wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I''m currently in the market for a full-time position and saw a job
> opening for a ruby on rails developer in the area (north-west US).
> The position pays between $40k and $45k / year. This seemed pretty
> low to me, but then, I''m not really aware of what the going rate
is.
> I can take other jobs (asp.NET, PHP, C, etc..) but would rather work
> with ruby on rails. Am I setting my hopes to high expecting to earn
> more than $45k / year?
> 
> Thanks,
> Carl
Carl, why don''t you knuckle up and start your own project written in 
Rails?  Some of my peers have done that very thing, and I am trying to 
do the same thing.  Don''t rely on some company to give you a job in 
Rails if that is what you want do fulltime.

Get what ever fulltime job you can, and build up a project until things 
tip far enough to go to work fulltime on your project.  [That] is the 
spirit of true capitalism, IMHO.  It is a tough road to follow, but if 
you are a smart, talented guy, you can find a way to do it, and you 
won''t be reliant on someone else in the end.

You will also own what you are working on.  That has its own rewards.

Cody

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Hey All,

We compiled some data on Ruby on Rails trends that show some (hopefully) 
very interesting info for individuals looking for job rates for Ruby on 
Rails jobs. You can find some fascinating wage stats about our fellow 
Ruby on Rails developers. Check our Ruby on Rails Developer Job Trends 
from USA, India, Russia. Also, if there is specific data anyone would 
like to know, ping me and I may be able to reach into our database and 
pull them up for our forum readers!

Hope this info helps, if you are still looking. The link to the page is 
<ahref="http://www.odesk.com/trends/Rails" alt="Ruby on Rails
Developer
Jobs Globally">

Let me know if you have any questions.

Eric Rivas







Carl Lerche wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I''m currently in the market for a full-time position and saw a job
> opening for a ruby on rails developer in the area (north-west US).
> The position pays between $40k and $45k / year. This seemed pretty
> low to me, but then, I''m not really aware of what the going rate
is.
> I can take other jobs (asp.NET, PHP, C, etc..) but would rather work
> with ruby on rails. Am I setting my hopes to high expecting to earn
> more than $45k / year?
> 
> Thanks,
> Carl
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Seems my link didn''t work, here it is again:

http://www.odesk.com/trends/Rails

Thanks

Eric Rivas

Eric Rivas wrote:
> Hey All,
> 
> We compiled some data on Ruby on Rails trends that show some (hopefully) 
> very interesting info for individuals looking for job rates for Ruby on 
> Rails jobs. You can find some fascinating wage stats about our fellow 
> Ruby on Rails developers. Check our Ruby on Rails Developer Job Trends 
> from USA, India, Russia. Also, if there is specific data anyone would 
> like to know, ping me and I may be able to reach into our database and 
> pull them up for our forum readers!
> 
> Hope this info helps, if you are still looking. The link to the page is 
> <ahref="http://www.odesk.com/trends/Rails" alt="Ruby on
Rails Developer
> Jobs Globally">
> 
> Let me know if you have any questions.
> 
> Eric Rivas
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Carl Lerche wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I''m currently in the market for a full-time position and saw a
job
>> opening for a ruby on rails developer in the area (north-west US).
>> The position pays between $40k and $45k / year. This seemed pretty
>> low to me, but then, I''m not really aware of what the going
rate is.
>> I can take other jobs (asp.NET, PHP, C, etc..) but would rather work
>> with ruby on rails. Am I setting my hopes to high expecting to earn
>> more than $45k / year?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Carl
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