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Tom Allison

2006-Sep-04 14:40 UTC

Google groups is a disappointment

Ok, I signed up to the Ruby on Rails mailing list some weeks ago thinking that 
this was a really great place to learn a lot about using Ruby and Rails
together.

Shortly after that things were migrated to this google groups and I found 
several things happened all at once -- I don''t know if this is all by
design or
by mistake but this is what I observed....


My mailing list is dead.  No more mail.  The website implies that this is still 
a mailing list.  It isn''t.  Now in order to do anything I have to send
an email
into some group and then....  troll through hundreds of web pages trying to find
my post and any relevant responses.  I don''t know what possessed the
community
that this was a good thing, but my experience is that retrieving information now
takes 10 - 100 times longer because I can''t just scan my mailbox.

So, few posts, fewer replies, no sense of connection to this bustling community.

One of the key factors in the attractiveness of open source software and many of
the projects that I have been involved in is the accessibility of the supporting
community.  Hard to access support counts strongly against the attractiveness of
the overall product.

In this case, the ease of use countered by the difficulty to access the 
community support doesn''t do much to raise Ruby above any of the other
web
framework communities out there.

Why?
Is there anything that can be done to reverse this decision?

I like this Ruby/Rails stuff, but the difficulty in using the current interface 
is so great that it is now more difficult to work in Rails than it is in other 
systems that are notably more difficult to work in -- eg: HTML::Mason in Perl 
isn''t as easy, but the support is there.

I''m not going to make any attempt to "fix" anything.  But I
would like to know
if there is anything that people know of as an alternative to this mailing list?

PS: If I were to offer any fixes then I would put up my own mail server as a 
host for the mailing list, but I''ll assume that''s already been
discussed.

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Rimantas Liubertas

2006-Sep-04 14:50 UTC

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<...>> I''m not going to make any attempt to "fix" anything. 
But I would like to know
> if there is anything that people know of as an alternative to this mailing
list?<...>

I think you should try to fix something, at least your settings.
http://groups.google.com/groups/mysubs
Do you have subscription set to email?


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jason cale

2006-Sep-04 15:03 UTC

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surely its your settings on the google thing .. as i have 3000 odd  
messages in (a folder in) my inbox from this mailing list ..

i dont know anything more than that, as I havent even been active in  
this thing for ages, I think i was even on digest for the last  
year .. however since migration im on the full bodied beast.

it definitely is ''alive'' - but i would have a mess with your
settings
on the list ... but considering you have to trawl through the website  
to see this .. my post might be in vein.

just my ''observation''..

however i do agree with some of your points .. this list blows my  
head off when i try and read it .. so i just let it fill up my hard  
drive instead.

yours,
an innocent bystander.

On 4 Sep 2006, at 15:40, Tom Allison wrote:
>
> Ok, I signed up to the Ruby on Rails mailing list some weeks ago  
> thinking that
> this was a really great place to learn a lot about using Ruby and  
> Rails together.
>
> Shortly after that things were migrated to this google groups and I  
> found
> several things happened all at once -- I don''t know if this is all
> by design or
> by mistake but this is what I observed....
>
>
> My mailing list is dead.  No more mail.  The website implies that  
> this is still
> a mailing list.  It isn''t.  Now in order to do anything I have to
> send an email
> into some group and then....  troll through hundreds of web pages  
> trying to find
> my post and any relevant responses.  I don''t know what possessed  
> the community
> that this was a good thing, but my experience is that retrieving  
> information now
> takes 10 - 100 times longer because I can''t just scan my mailbox.
>
> So, few posts, fewer replies, no sense of connection to this  
> bustling community.
>
> One of the key factors in the attractiveness of open source  
> software and many of
> the projects that I have been involved in is the accessibility of  
> the supporting
> community.  Hard to access support counts strongly against the  
> attractiveness of
> the overall product.
>
> In this case, the ease of use countered by the difficulty to access  
> the
> community support doesn''t do much to raise Ruby above any of the  
> other web
> framework communities out there.
>
> Why?
> Is there anything that can be done to reverse this decision?
>
> I like this Ruby/Rails stuff, but the difficulty in using the  
> current interface
> is so great that it is now more difficult to work in Rails than it  
> is in other
> systems that are notably more difficult to work in -- eg:  
> HTML::Mason in Perl
> isn''t as easy, but the support is there.
>
> I''m not going to make any attempt to "fix" anything. 
But I would
> like to know
> if there is anything that people know of as an alternative to this  
> mailing list?
>
> PS: If I were to offer any fixes then I would put up my own mail  
> server as a
> host for the mailing list, but I''ll assume that''s already
been
> discussed.
>
> >


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google_soul_reaver

2006-Sep-04 15:15 UTC

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Re: Google groups is a disappointment

Yes I do.  as it turns out, google groups is tagged by sorbs as a
spammer.
even better.  This is the first mailing list I''ve ever had out of some
20 that has this problem.

Was this a consideration when the decision was made?

I wonder how much spam comes in this list?


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Jon Gretar Borgthorsson

2006-Sep-04 15:27 UTC

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Well... The fact that sorbs marks the biggest mailing list system as a spam
tells us a hell of a lot more about the quality and professional level of
sorbs than anything else.

On 9/4/06, google_soul_reaver
<tallison-dPKA337BxZXR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
wrote:>
>
> Yes I do.  as it turns out, google groups is tagged by sorbs as a
> spammer.
> even better.  This is the first mailing list I''ve ever had out of
some
> 20 that has this problem.
>
> Was this a consideration when the decision was made?
>
> I wonder how much spam comes in this list?
>
>
> >
>

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gama.franco-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org

2006-Sep-04 15:32 UTC

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I must say that I also prefer the old system, with the web based bridge
(without it it''s anoying). From my point of view it worked very well,
and the search option available never let me down.

On the other hand, yesterday I posted a message through the GMail
groups form and it was never published. Today I posted a new one and
this time I had success.

I do believe that this new option is much more easier to mantain and as
a lower TOC, but a project with the dimension of Rails diserves its own
forum system.

Regards,
  Gama Franco


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Jens Kraemer

2006-Sep-04 15:40 UTC

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On Mon, Sep 04, 2006 at 03:32:52PM -0000,
gama.franco-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
wrote:> 
> I must say that I also prefer the old system, with the web based bridge
> (without it it''s anoying). From my point of view it worked very
well,
> and the search option available never let me down.
> 
> On the other hand, yesterday I posted a message through the GMail
> groups form and it was never published. Today I posted a new one and
> this time I had success.
> 
> I do believe that this new option is much more easier to mantain and as
> a lower TOC, but a project with the dimension of Rails diserves its own
> forum system.
did you have a look at 
http://www.ruby-forum.com/forum/3

it mirrors several Ruby/Rails related Mailing lists, including this one.

Jens

 

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Pratik

2006-Sep-04 15:54 UTC

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> http://www.ruby-forum.com/forum/3
I hate it when people use it ! Because it doesn''t show
sender''s real
email address and you cannot contact people directly :-s

- Pratik

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Tom Allison

2006-Sep-04 15:56 UTC

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Jon Gretar Borgthorsson wrote:> Well... The fact that sorbs marks the biggest mailing list system as a 
> spam tells us a hell of a lot more about the quality and professional 
> level of sorbs than anything else.
> 
Don''t be too judgmental.
it''s much kinder on Debian, postfix, Suse, Ruby, (old) rails, Apache
and a dozen
others out there.

sorbs is one of the better RBL systems.
What would you recommend in it''s place?

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Tom Allison

2006-Sep-04 16:15 UTC

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Pratik wrote:>> http://www.ruby-forum.com/forum/3
> 
> I hate it when people use it ! Because it doesn''t show
sender''s real
> email address and you cannot contact people directly :-s
> 
> - Pratik
This is a great example of why these kinds of solutions are sometimes difficult 
to work with.

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Jon Gretar Borgthorsson

2006-Sep-04 16:25 UTC

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On 9/4/06, Tom Allison <tallison-dPKA337BxZXR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
wrote:>
>
> Jon Gretar Borgthorsson wrote:
> > Well... The fact that sorbs marks the biggest mailing list system as a
> > spam tells us a hell of a lot more about the quality and professional
> > level of sorbs than anything else.
> >
>
> Don''t be too judgmental.
> it''s much kinder on Debian, postfix, Suse, Ruby, (old) rails,
Apache and a
> dozen
> others out there.
>
> sorbs is one of the better RBL systems.
> What would you recommend in it''s place?
>

Don''t know. I use gmail and I haven''t really had to deal with
real spam for
a year.

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Gareth Adams

2006-Sep-04 17:43 UTC

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Tom Allison <tallison@...> writes:
> I''m not going to make any attempt to "fix" anything. 
But I would like to
> know if there is anything that people know of as an alternative to this
> mailing list?
I often catch up with the list at
http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.ruby.rails

Gareth


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dasil003

2006-Sep-04 17:51 UTC

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FWIW, my email was hosted at TextDrive (same place as the original
list) and I had nothing but problems.  My posts sometimes took hours to
appear, and the messages I was getting as opposed to messages on the
ruby talk forum as opposed to the mailman archive were all different.
I signed up for digest, but I still had 3-4 day old messages trickling
in for some time.

I don''t think the old list was up to snuff, and it was also sucking
processing time from other central resources.  Google Groups is fast,
very searchable and usable.  I don''t want to diminish others''
problems,
but for me it''s been a big step forward.


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Bart Braem

2006-Sep-05 11:46 UTC

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Tom Allison wrote:
> sorbs is one of the better RBL systems.
> What would you recommend in it''s place?
gmane? The nntp interface to this mailinglist is clean and easy to use. Just
look for gmane.comp.lang.ruby.rails

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etlund

2006-Sep-05 14:24 UTC

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The migration didn''t go as smoothly as the list managers might have
hoped, but I think the Google Groups interface is pretty slick.  YES,
you can get emails (or a digest or, my fav, an Abridged digest) but you
need to choose those options in your settings.  You do have to learn
the tool, but it''s not THAT complicated.

Think of it as an evolutionary step.  I''m sure there were a lot of
people who were ''put off'' by the invention of a hammer (why do
I need a
hammer, my rock works just fine?) but in the end they figured it out.

Another alternative web interface for this list (and many others
including several more Ruby/Rails lists) is available here:
http://www.nabble.com/Ruby-Lang-f13925.html  (Go up a level to see the
other Ruby lists)


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