seems like the above line always evals to false.. if the field is required and missing, it evals to false. if the field is required and present, it evals to false. if the field is not required and present (or not present) the line evals to false.. am i using this right? in AWDwR 2nd Ed thevery first example makes heavy use of this style of test.. thanks in advance.. stuart --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---