I am working on a game system. My models include User, Game, and Player: User has_many Players Game has_many Players Player belongs_to User, Game Basically, Player is a join table between User and Game, but since there is information that is specific to the relationship I want it to be a model in its own right. The part where I''d like some AR magic is that given a User (the id is in the session) and a Game (the id is part of the URL), I want to find the Player (assuming there is one) relating them. My current implementation looks something like this (pseudocode): @user = User.find(session[:user_id]) @game = Game.find(params[:id]) @player = @game.players.detect { |p| p.user_id = @user.id } It works, and I''m likely to use the players list later anyway, but I feel like there should be a simple way to get the Player without loading all the players. I suppose Player.find_by_game_id_and_user_id(@game.id, @user.id) would work, but it isn''t a whole lot nicer. I''m hoping for something like Player.find_by_owners(:user => @user, :game => @game). --Greg