I have a simple CMS I''m creating, and the primary model is the "listing". A listing habtm (has_and_belongs_to_many) categories (up to two) - allowing the listing to print its categories and a category to print its listings. I also need subcategories, which are different from categories in two ways: a listing can have as many subcategories (from it''s two categories) as it wishes, and subcategories are displayed differently in both administration and display views. So what I have is: Class Listing < ActiveRecord::Base has_and_belongs_to_many :categories has_and_belongs_to_many :subcategories ... end Class Subcategory < ActiveRecord::Base has_and_belongs_to_many :listings belongs_to :categories end Class Category < ActiveRecord::Base has_and_belongs_to_many :listings has_many :subcategories ... end Is this allowed? I ask because I can''t create a listing with subcategories (from the admin UI) - the UI works fine, there are no errors, but the new listing has no subcategories and the MySQL DB isn''t updated. -Adam -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.