Rails - Feb 2006 - Does shared hosting work? Anywhere?

I moved a rails application to textdrive using their low-cost shared plan.
Once on textdrive my app would display ''proxy errors''
periodically. Hitting
reload
seemed to be all that was needed to get past the proxy error.

After discussions with their support people I decided the proxy errors were
being caused by apache server restarts -- because there were many of us
sharing
one apache server there were relatively constant restarts. I slapped my head
and immediately started looking for another solution that didn''t
involve
sharing
an apache instance with tens or hundreds of other users. I want to emphasize
that my experience with textdrive was not all bad -- I blame myself for not
thinking
through how shared hosting would impact my application.

Now I''m trying to decide if shared hosting is simply evil, or did I
just
have a bad experience. So help me by answering some of these questions?

   - Are proxy errors common on all shared accounts, regardless of the
   hosting service?
   - If you are happy with your shared hosting experience -- meaning that
   your application runs reliably -- which hosting service are you using?

My main goal is to figure out if my experience is typical or not. And if
there are shared services out there that work fine, which ones are they?

My main apps are now running on at VPS sites. I really like the aspect of
running at a professionally managed colo on someone elses hardware. I have
other web sites (mostly php and some perl cgi) that are still running on my
basement server that I would like to migrate to a low cost service. These
are not business sites and don''t have strict uptime requirements, and I
don''t want to spend much money, so a shared hosting service is probably
what
I need. But I would like to know what to expect. I hope the php/perl cgi
doesn''t derail (no pun intended) the conversation.

Thanks for your help.

-Kelly
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I have not been using them for long, but so far I have had very good
luck with Site5 hosting; they support rails via apache w/ FCGI, Perl,
and PHP 4 and 5.  I haven''t noticed any downtime due to apache
restarts, but I''ve only been with them a few weeks.

-Will

On 2/14/06, Kelly Felkins <railsinator@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I moved a rails application to textdrive using their low-cost shared plan.
> Once on textdrive my app would display ''proxy errors''
periodically. Hitting
> reload
> seemed to be all that was needed to get past the proxy error.
>
> After discussions with their support people I decided the proxy errors were
> being caused by apache server restarts -- because there were many of us
> sharing
> one apache server there were relatively constant restarts. I slapped my
head
> and immediately started looking for another solution that didn''t
involve
> sharing
> an apache instance with tens or hundreds of other users. I want to
emphasize
> that my experience with textdrive was not all bad -- I blame myself for not
> thinking
> through how shared hosting would impact my application.
>
> Now I''m trying to decide if shared hosting is simply evil, or did
I just
> have a bad experience. So help me by answering some of these questions?
>
> Are proxy errors common on all shared accounts, regardless of the hosting
> service?
> If you are happy with your shared hosting experience -- meaning that your
> application runs reliably -- which hosting service are you using?My main
> goal is to figure out if my experience is typical or not. And if there are
> shared services out there that work fine, which ones are they?
>
> My main apps are now running on at VPS sites. I really like the aspect of
> running at a professionally managed colo on someone elses hardware. I have
> other web sites (mostly php and some perl cgi) that are still running on my
> basement server that I would like to migrate to a low cost service. These
> are not business sites and don''t have strict uptime requirements,
and I
> don''t want to spend much money, so a shared hosting service is
probably what
> I need. But I would like to know what to expect. I hope the php/perl cgi
> doesn''t derail (no pun intended) the conversation.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> -Kelly
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rails mailing list
> Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
>
>
>

Kelly Felkins wrote:
> 
> Now I''m trying to decide if shared hosting is simply evil, or did
I just
> have a bad experience. So help me by answering some of these questions?
> 

Well I can also say that my shared hosting experience with Textdrive was 
not a good one.  I even went for their Lighttpd option and it still was 
not much faster.  Seemed like everytime I wanted to do something their 
server was down - not sure if this is a common thing with shared hosts, 
or just Textdrive.  So I simply wrote off shared hosting and ended up at 
Linode.com (not affiliated with them).  Setup my own Debian 3.1 system, 
Lighttpd, and Postgres system in a couple hours and I was good to go. 
Haven''t looked back since.  For $19 a month I cannot say I
haven''t been
impressed with the VPS route.

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Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.

Haven''t looked back since.  For $19 a month I cannot say I
haven''t been
impressed with the VPS route.


Wow. Very similar experiences. Yes I really like the VPS systems. I''m
using Rimu
<http://rimuhosting.com/>and Quantact <http://www.quantact.com/>.
I''m very
happy with this solution. But I wonder about all the other
textdrive/site5/dreamhost etc experiences.


On 2/14/06, markhaliday@yahoo.com <markhaliday@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
> Kelly Felkins wrote:
> >
> > Now I''m trying to decide if shared hosting is simply evil, or
did I just
> > have a bad experience. So help me by answering some of these
questions?
> >
>
>
> Well I can also say that my shared hosting experience with Textdrive was
> not a good one.  I even went for their Lighttpd option and it still was
> not much faster.  Seemed like everytime I wanted to do something their
> server was down - not sure if this is a common thing with shared hosts,
> or just Textdrive.  So I simply wrote off shared hosting and ended up at
> Linode.com (not affiliated with them).  Setup my own Debian 3.1 system,
> Lighttpd, and Postgres system in a couple hours and I was good to go.
> Haven''t looked back since.  For $19 a month I cannot say I
haven''t been
> impressed with the VPS route.
>
> --
> Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
> _______________________________________________
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> Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
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On 2/14/06, Kelly Felkins <railsinator@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > So I simply wrote off shared hosting and ended up at
> > Linode.com (not affiliated with them).
I am likewise quite happy with Linode after, hmm, about a year? And
likewise not affiliated with Linode in any fashion. I run my rails
setup alongside apache2/perl and mysql on the 160MB plan or whatever.

The downside is you have to learn more about system administration
than you''d probably like to. I use Ubuntu, which has apt, but still
have to setup a lot of things by hand. And Ubuntu is missing a lot of
dev tools (like a c library!). Then you have to make sure your setup
fits inside your RAM efficiently or you''ll start swapping a lot.

On the other hand my significant other has had lots of trouble with
Dreamhost, including random shutdowns of essential services, like
shutting down and archiving her database without her permission (it
was actively backing a website!), and moving/disabling key cgi scripts
(for Movable Type). They would basically do something drastic and
awful without notifying her, then restore the service when she called
to complain and make it sound like some kind of routine housekeeping.

I have been running a couple of rails apps on txd since 2004...there was  
a period with *some* downtime, but since they moved to their own  
datacenter I havent experienced any problems

(im on one.textdrive.com)

Mikkel Bruun

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On 2/14/06, Kelly Felkins <railsinator@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> I moved a rails application to textdrive using their low-cost shared plan.
> Once on textdrive my app would display ''proxy errors''
periodically. Hitting
> reload
> seemed to be all that was needed to get past the proxy error.
>
> After discussions with their support people I decided the proxy errors
> were being caused by apache server restarts -- because there were many of
us
> sharing
> one apache server there were relatively constant restarts. I slapped my
> head and immediately started looking for another solution that
didn''t
> involve sharing
> an apache instance with tens or hundreds of other users. I want to
> emphasize that my experience with textdrive was not all bad -- I blame
> myself for not thinking
> through how shared hosting would impact my application.
>
> Now I''m trying to decide if shared hosting is simply evil, or did
I just
> have a bad experience. So help me by answering some of these questions?
>
>    - Are proxy errors common on all shared accounts, regardless of the
>    hosting service?
>    - If you are happy with your shared hosting experience -- meaning
>    that your application runs reliably -- which hosting service are you
using?
>
> My main goal is to figure out if my experience is typical or not. And if
> there are shared services out there that work fine, which ones are they?
>
> My main apps are now running on at VPS sites. I really like the aspect of
> running at a professionally managed colo on someone elses hardware. I have
> other web sites (mostly php and some perl cgi) that are still running on my
> basement server that I would like to migrate to a low cost service. These
> are not business sites and don''t have strict uptime requirements,
and I
> don''t want to spend much money, so a shared hosting service is
probably what
> I need. But I would like to know what to expect. I hope the php/perl cgi
> doesn''t derail (no pun intended) the conversation.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> -Kelly
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rails mailing list
> Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
>
>
>
Kelly,

When was this? My impression is that Textdrive seems to have certain servers
that have issues until they find the root cause and train or relocated the
troublesome hosted app. However, I also get the impression that uptime and
reliability have improved significantly starting sometime in December. T

I''m considering moving an app back to Textdrive, but am still
researching
reliability. What timeframe did your issues occur in?

Also, they now have the intermediate "business hosting" which is
shared, but
with less people sharing one machine. However, enquiries regarding
experiences about that haven''t brought a response yet on the list yet,
as
far as I know.

Thanks,
Nick
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I was on textdrive from the middle of December to the 3rd of January -- not
much time I know, but my app can''t have a reputation of being
unreliable. I
was on harwood.

-Kelly


On 2/14/06, Nicholas Van Weerdenburg <vanweerd@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> On 2/14/06, Kelly Felkins <railsinator@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I moved a rails application to textdrive using their low-cost shared
> > plan. Once on textdrive my app would display ''proxy
errors'' periodically.
> > Hitting reload
> > seemed to be all that was needed to get past the proxy error.
> >
> > After discussions with their support people I decided the proxy errors
> > were being caused by apache server restarts -- because there were many
of us
> > sharing
> > one apache server there were relatively constant restarts. I slapped
my
> > head and immediately started looking for another solution that
didn''t
> > involve sharing
> > an apache instance with tens or hundreds of other users. I want to
> > emphasize that my experience with textdrive was not all bad -- I blame
> > myself for not thinking
> > through how shared hosting would impact my application.
> >
> > Now I''m trying to decide if shared hosting is simply evil, or
did I just
> > have a bad experience. So help me by answering some of these
questions?
> >
> >    - Are proxy errors common on all shared accounts, regardless of
> >    the hosting service?
> >    - If you are happy with your shared hosting experience -- meaning
> >    that your application runs reliably -- which hosting service are
you using?
> >
> > My main goal is to figure out if my experience is typical or not. And
if
> > there are shared services out there that work fine, which ones are
they?
> >
> > My main apps are now running on at VPS sites. I really like the aspect
> > of running at a professionally managed colo on someone elses hardware.
I
> > have other web sites (mostly php and some perl cgi) that are still
running
> > on my basement server that I would like to migrate to a low cost
service.
> > These are not business sites and don''t have strict uptime
requirements, and
> > I don''t want to spend much money, so a shared hosting service
is probably
> > what I need. But I would like to know what to expect. I hope the
php/perl
> > cgi doesn''t derail (no pun intended) the conversation.
> >
> > Thanks for your help.
> >
> > -Kelly
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rails mailing list
> > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
> >
> >
> >
>
> Kelly,
>
> When was this? My impression is that Textdrive seems to have certain
> servers that have issues until they find the root cause and train or
> relocated the troublesome hosted app. However, I also get the impression
> that uptime and reliability have improved significantly starting sometime
in
> December. T
>
> I''m considering moving an app back to Textdrive, but am still
researching
> reliability. What timeframe did your issues occur in?
>
> Also, they now have the intermediate "business hosting" which is
shared,
> but with less people sharing one machine. However, enquiries regarding
> experiences about that haven''t brought a response yet on the list
yet, as
> far as I know.
>
> Thanks,
> Nick
> --
> Nicholas Van Weerdenburg
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rails mailing list
> Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
>
>
>
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Railsplayground.com has excellent service.  I''ve been with them for
over a month now and not had any problems.  They also have excellent
customer service which helped through the signing up and when I
recently upgraded my account there.

On 2/14/06, Kelly Felkins <railsinator@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I was on textdrive from the middle of December to the 3rd of January -- not
> much time I know, but my app can''t have a reputation of being
unreliable. I
> was on harwood.
>
>  -Kelly
>
>
>
> On 2/14/06, Nicholas Van Weerdenburg <vanweerd@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 2/14/06, Kelly Felkins <railsinator@gmail.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > I moved a rails application to textdrive using their low-cost
shared
> plan. Once on textdrive my app would display ''proxy
errors'' periodically.
> Hitting reload
> > > seemed to be all that was needed to get past the proxy error.
> > >
> > > After discussions with their support people I decided the proxy
errors
> were being caused by apache server restarts -- because there were many of
us
> sharing
> > > one apache server there were relatively constant restarts. I
slapped my
> head and immediately started looking for another solution that
didn''t
> involve sharing
> > > an apache instance with tens or hundreds of other users. I want
to
> emphasize that my experience with textdrive was not all bad -- I blame
> myself for not thinking
> > > through how shared hosting would impact my application.
> > >
> > > Now I''m trying to decide if shared hosting is simply
evil, or did I just
> have a bad experience. So help me by answering some of these questions?
> > >
> > >
> > > Are proxy errors common on all shared accounts, regardless of the
> hosting service?
> > > If you are happy with your shared hosting experience -- meaning
that
> your application runs reliably -- which hosting service are you using?My
> main goal is to figure out if my experience is typical or not. And if there
> are shared services out there that work fine, which ones are they?
> > >
> > > My main apps are now running on at VPS sites. I really like the
aspect
> of running at a professionally managed colo on someone elses hardware. I
> have other web sites (mostly php and some perl cgi) that are still running
> on my basement server that I would like to migrate to a low cost service.
> These are not business sites and don''t have strict uptime
requirements, and
> I don''t want to spend much money, so a shared hosting service is
probably
> what I need. But I would like to know what to expect. I hope the php/perl
> cgi doesn''t derail (no pun intended) the conversation.
> > >
> > > Thanks for your help.
> > >
> > > -Kelly
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Rails mailing list
> > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > Kelly,
> >
> > When was this? My impression is that Textdrive seems to have certain
> servers that have issues until they find the root cause and train or
> relocated the troublesome hosted app. However, I also get the impression
> that uptime and reliability have improved significantly starting sometime
in
> December. T
> >
> > I''m considering moving an app back to Textdrive, but am still
researching
> reliability. What timeframe did your issues occur in?
> >
> > Also, they now have the intermediate "business hosting"
which is shared,
> but with less people sharing one machine. However, enquiries regarding
> experiences about that haven''t brought a response yet on the list
yet, as
> far as I know.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Nick
> > --
> > Nicholas Van Weerdenburg
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rails mailing list
> > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rails mailing list
> Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
>
>
>

i''ve been on dreamhost since october and haven''t had any
problems that
weren''t fixed by their staff in less than a day.

kenneth
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Does dreamhost feature Rails support?  I couldn''t find that on their
website.

Ben



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To: rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
Subject: Re: [Rails] Does shared hosting work? Anywhere?


i''ve been on dreamhost since october and haven''t had any
problems that
weren''t fixed by their staff in less than a day.

kenneth
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I also have a linode and find the support excellent.  I''m running
lighttpd on debian and it''s great.  At the same time I also understand
the need for a hosted situation.  I also have servers hosted with Host
Nexus and they are working on getting rails support in place right
now.  I''ve been extremely pleased with their support, and if they get
the rails stuff on there I think it will be a big win.  If anyone is
interested I''ll keep you posted when that happens.

Michael Trier

Ben
      > Does dreamhost feature Rails support?  I couldn''t find that
on their
      > website.

see here:
    http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php/Ruby_on_Rails

Alain

I''ve been *very* happy with PlanetArgon (planetargon.com). Robby made a
post in this or one of its related threads about their being 
Rails-centric. Everything you''re grappling with in your Rails 
development, they are too.

I happened on them by accident because I needed a host who supported PHP 
5. Now all my sites are on them.

Kelly Felkins wrote:
> I moved a rails application to textdrive using their low-cost shared 
> plan.
> Once on textdrive my app would display ''proxy errors''
periodically.
> Hitting
> reload
> seemed to be all that was needed to get past the proxy error.
> 
> After discussions with their support people I decided the proxy errors 
> were
> being caused by apache server restarts -- because there were many of us
> sharing
> one apache server there were relatively constant restarts. I slapped my 
> head
> and immediately started looking for another solution that didn''t
involve
> sharing
> an apache instance with tens or hundreds of other users. I want to 
> emphasize
> that my experience with textdrive was not all bad -- I blame myself for 
> not
> thinking
> through how shared hosting would impact my application.
> 
> Now I''m trying to decide if shared hosting is simply evil, or did
I just
> have a bad experience. So help me by answering some of these questions?
> 
>    - Are proxy errors common on all shared accounts, regardless of the
>    hosting service?
>    - If you are happy with your shared hosting experience -- meaning 
> that
>    your application runs reliably -- which hosting service are you 
> using?
> 
> My main goal is to figure out if my experience is typical or not. And if
> there are shared services out there that work fine, which ones are they?
> 
> My main apps are now running on at VPS sites. I really like the aspect 
> of
> running at a professionally managed colo on someone elses hardware. I 
> have
> other web sites (mostly php and some perl cgi) that are still running on 
> my
> basement server that I would like to migrate to a low cost service. 
> These
> are not business sites and don''t have strict uptime requirements,
and I
> don''t want to spend much money, so a shared hosting service is
probably
> what
> I need. But I would like to know what to expect. I hope the php/perl cgi
> doesn''t derail (no pun intended) the conversation.
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> -Kelly

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Il giorno 14/feb/06, alle ore 18:46, Kelly Felkins ha scritto:
> Now I''m trying to decide if shared hosting is simply evil, or did
I
> just have a bad experience. So help me by answering some of these  
> questions?
> Are proxy errors common on all shared accounts, regardless of the  
> hosting service?
> If you are happy with your shared hosting experience -- meaning  
> that your application runs reliably -- which hosting service are  
> you using?
> My main goal is to figure out if my experience is typical or not.  
> And if there are shared services out there that work fine, which  
> ones are they?
I am using a shared hosting service for the only public Rails  
application I have <http://evilornot.info> and must say that I''m
quite happy with the level of service that I get from Planet Argon  
(BTW, did you recently upgrade your servers, Robby? I''m seeing better  
performance recently).

Granted, this is a very low traffic website (less than 1000 page  
views a day) and I don''t care much about continuous availability,  
even though I had no problems so far. But for a moderate traffic site  
I wouldn''t think twice about moving to a VPS or even a dedicated  
server, not so much because of performance considerations, but mostly  
because on a dedicated server I can tweak and tune the configuration  
as much as I like.

	Ugo



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Open Source Zone: http://oszone.org/
Evil or Not?: http://evilornot.info/
Company: http://www.sourcesense.com/

Kelly Felkins wrote:
> My main goal is to figure out if my experience is typical or not. And if 
> there are shared services out there that work fine, which ones are they?
I''ve got a small app deployed on Dreamhost that has been working fine 
with a little bit of hackery to get round Dreamhost''s process cleanup.
I
updated the Dreamhost wiki with everything I had to do.

I''m probably going to be deploying a larger app on Dreamhost in the not
too distant future, so I''ll report back how that goes.

Cheers,

Tom

I''ve got a VPS running on Rimu <http://www.rimuhosting.com>, and
I''ve been
super happy with it. If you just follow Ezra''s directions at
http://www.brainspl.at/rails-stack.html, you can get the box up and running
pretty easily. That''s only the beginning, of course, and I''ve
had to do a
lot of learning since I''m from a Windows background.

My biggest problem is that I have clients that I need to set up on a system
that has control panels so that the client can create their own email
addresses and use webmail painlessly. I''ve got Squirrelmail running on
my
VPS, but sending my clients to Webmin to manage email addresses seems a bit
extreme. The shared host solution allows me to escape all of that pain and
just send them to a control panel. Even TextDrive sketches me out with
handing a site off to a client and having them manage it, since TextPanel is
still not available and management is handled through Webmin.

Do any of the afore-mentioned hosting providers have decent control panels,
etc, so that I can build a site and not be actively involved in maintaining
the non site related stuff, such as email? Or does anyone have any
recommendations on open-course control panels that aren''t so hard for a
non-techie to use?

Thanks!

Matt
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On 2/14/06, Alain Ravet <arav2132@biz.tiscali.be>
wrote:
> Ben
>       > Does dreamhost feature Rails support?  I couldn''t find
that on their
>       > website.
>
> see here:
>     http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php/Ruby_on_Rails
Check the coupons if you are signing up for dreamhost.
777 or 888 or BEST

If they work they let you keep your own commission and take about $100
off a one year signup of the base package. There are other $50 off
coupons floating around, but these are the best ones if they are
enabled. They seem to get turned off/on depending on demand.

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Hi Matt, I have to say that the admin panels on Site5.com are extremely
painless to use...  they allow the client to set up email addresses, FTP
accounts + quotas, etc.

-Will

On 2/15/06, Matt White <stockliasteroid@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> I''ve got a VPS running on Rimu <http://www.rimuhosting.com>,
and I''ve been
> super happy with it. If you just follow Ezra''s directions at
http://www.brainspl.at/rails-stack.html
> , you can get the box up and running pretty easily. That''s only
the
> beginning, of course, and I''ve had to do a lot of learning since
I''m from a
> Windows background.
>
> My biggest problem is that I have clients that I need to set up on a
> system that has control panels so that the client can create their own
email
> addresses and use webmail painlessly. I''ve got Squirrelmail
running on my
> VPS, but sending my clients to Webmin to manage email addresses seems a bit
> extreme. The shared host solution allows me to escape all of that pain and
> just send them to a control panel. Even TextDrive sketches me out with
> handing a site off to a client and having them manage it, since TextPanel
is
> still not available and management is handled through Webmin.
>
> Do any of the afore-mentioned hosting providers have decent control
> panels, etc, so that I can build a site and not be actively involved in
> maintaining the non site related stuff, such as email? Or does anyone have
> any recommendations on open-course control panels that aren''t so
hard for a
> non-techie to use?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Matt
>
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