(Donning flameproof suit) Am I the only person who thinks that the Ruby forum software sucks? E.g. search only for a word. Can''t search for new posts, can''t search by date, topic list doesn''t indicate when I''ve already read a post, there can be several independent replies to a topic, just to name a few. There are lots (admittedly not Ruby based) of good forum software out there. I''ve found only one alternate that uses "normal" forum software at forum.textdrive.com. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
At the risk of just adding some kerosine .. You do realize that RForum is at version 0.2, right? On 1/18/06, Rick Williams <willirl@gmail.com> wrote:> > (Donning flameproof suit) > > Am I the only person who thinks that the Ruby forum software sucks? > > E.g. search only for a word. Can''t search for new posts, can''t search > by date, topic list doesn''t indicate when I''ve already read a post, > there can be several independent replies to a topic, just to name a few. > > There are lots (admittedly not Ruby based) of good forum software out > there. > > I''ve found only one alternate that uses "normal" forum software at > forum.textdrive.com. > > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060118/441c6337/attachment.html
Rick Williams wrote:> (Donning flameproof suit) > > Am I the only person who thinks that the Ruby forum software sucks? >I believe this could be rephrased as: Hi, do you guys have problems with rforum search?? Also, it would be nice to have an indication of what threads i have read. See?? Nice an polite... Show me your code?!?! -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
Rick -- if you don''t want flames in reply, I suggest you write posts that are respectful and not derisive. Announcing that Produc XZY sucks isn''t respectful. It sticks out noticably from the supportive and collaborative hum of the list. As I''m sure others will comment, RForum is open source software. If you don''t like it, your choice is between patching or moving on. cheers Gerret> > Am I the only person who thinks that the Ruby forum software sucks? > > > > E.g. search only for a word. Can''t search for new posts, can''t search > > by date, topic list doesn''t indicate when I''ve already read a post, > > there can be several independent replies to a topic, just to name a few. > > > > There are lots (admittedly not Ruby based) of good forum software out > > there. > > > > I''ve found only one alternate that uses "normal" forum software at > > forum.textdrive.com . > > > > -- > > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > >
+1! http://rforum.andreas-s.net/trac/file/trunk/app/models/search_ferret.rb uses ferret and it wouldn''t be too much of a problem to add dates to the index. lucene (and therefore) ferret provides ordering functions on the result sets as well. Lot''s of people are eagerly awaiting your patch Rick! ruby-forum.com has already helped me a lot. Keep up the good work Andreas! Regards Jan mikkel wrote:> Rick Williams wrote: > >> (Donning flameproof suit) >> >> Am I the only person who thinks that the Ruby forum software sucks? >> >> > I believe this could be rephrased as: > Hi, do you guys have problems with rforum search?? > Also, it would be nice to have an indication of what threads i have > read. > > See?? Nice an polite... > > Show me your code?!?! > >
I''m curious what happened to several months of posts. They appear to have been deleted - Apr-Nov 2005? http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/ -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
Gerret: I''d just like to post my support for your opinion. I think people who don''t want to break their legs should take care when walking on slippery surfaces rather than blame some institution for not posting a sign "Slippery when wet". I''d love to see a little less tolerance in the world towards the intolerant. A mirror is just whether it reflects ugliness or beauty. I really think this community is awesome. I''ve benefitted a ton and try to give back when I have something to offer. I suppose the software can be viewed as sucking but then so could Rick. It is too easy to criticize, as Edward de Bono says ''You only have to take a sufficiently extreme position...this chair is too complex, that one too simple''. I love the idea of open source.> if you don''t like it, your choice is between patching or moving on.+1 bruce On 18-Jan-06, at 11:53 AM, Gerret Apelt wrote:> Rick -- > > if you don''t want flames in reply, I suggest you write posts that are > respectful and not derisive. Announcing that Produc XZY sucks isn''t > respectful. It sticks out noticably from the supportive and > collaborative hum of the list. > > As I''m sure others will comment, RForum is open source software. If > you don''t like it, your choice is between patching or moving on. > > cheers > Gerret > > >>> Am I the only person who thinks that the Ruby forum software sucks? >>> >>> E.g. search only for a word. Can''t search for new posts, can''t >>> search >>> by date, topic list doesn''t indicate when I''ve already read a post, >>> there can be several independent replies to a topic, just to name >>> a few. >>> >>> There are lots (admittedly not Ruby based) of good forum software >>> out >>> there. >>> >>> I''ve found only one alternate that uses "normal" forum software at >>> forum.textdrive.com . >>> >>> -- >>> Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rails mailing list >>> Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org >>> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rails mailing list >> Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org >> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
I''d be interested in knowing how many folks on the Ruby list here are using the Ruby Forum to read it. The Ruby Forum is a nice way to shoe-horn an email list into a forum style (which I personally prefer). If most folks prefer the forum style, wouldn''t it just be better to move the community to a phpBB/vBulletin or other forum? Jake -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
On 1/19/06, Jake Janovetz <jakejanovetz@yahoo.com> wrote:> The Ruby Forum is a nice way to shoe-horn an email list into a forum > style (which I personally prefer). If most folks prefer the forum > style, wouldn''t it just be better to move the community to a > phpBB/vBulletin or other forum?I love the combination of the mailing list + gmail. The forum gateway is a great addition, but I''d never want to give up the mailing list. Plus, I don''t think we should move the forum to other software - let''s just contribute to, and improve RForum. Ben
Jake Janovetz wrote:> I''d be interested in knowing how many folks on the Ruby list here are > using the Ruby Forum to read it. > > The Ruby Forum is a nice way to shoe-horn an email list into a forum > style (which I personally prefer). If most folks prefer the forum > style, wouldn''t it just be better to move the community to a > phpBB/vBulletin or other forum? > >I don''t agree. Half the time, emails to the list that are sent from the forum are "out of context" because the reply did not quote the original and the replier assumes it''s just being read by the forum reader. For those of us that just use the list, that leaves fragmented messages that have no context in order to give a meaningful response. The rforum gateway to this list should be required to quote originals in some way. -Sean
Ben Myles wrote:> I love the combination of the mailing list + gmail. > > The forum gateway is a great addition, but I''d never want to give up > the mailing list. Plus, I don''t think we should move the forum to > other software - let''s just contribute to, and improve RForum. > > BenThat''s fine. I didn''t know how many folks liked the email style. I was conducting a poll. :) But, (hypothetically) if we were to give up the mailing list, I don''t see any reason to further RForum. Why reinvent the wheel? -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
I use RForum frequently and prefer it to keeping my own archives or searching the ones at gmane. I dunno why, but I like rforum better and I *do* use it. Jake Janovetz wrote:> I''d be interested in knowing how many folks on the Ruby list here are > using the Ruby Forum to read it.-- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
Steve Ross wrote:> I use RForum frequently and prefer it to keeping my own archives or > searching the ones at gmane. I dunno why, but I like rforum better and I > *do* use it. > > Jake Janovetz wrote: >> I''d be interested in knowing how many folks on the Ruby list here are >> using the Ruby Forum to read it.Me too, for similar reasons. Although I will leave more of the quotes in for those without a threading email reader. So why reinvent the wheel? I view my use of RForum as beta testing. The more people use it, the more bugs get found and fixed. When I finally get around to integrating a forum into my app, I''ll know right where to look for one that has been thoroughly stomped on and survived. _Kevin -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
On 1/19/06, Jake Janovetz <jakejanovetz@yahoo.com> wrote:> But, (hypothetically) if we were to give up the mailing list, I don''t > see any reason to further RForum. Why reinvent the wheel?It''s the only Ruby on Rails forum software I know of (correct me if there''s more?). Now, that''s not saying that I don''t believe in using ''the right tool for the job'', or that I wouldn''t look at alternatives simply because they''re not done in RoR. It''s just that having good forum software done with RoR means that it''s easier to integrate into other RoR sites than something done in another language / framework, and for us Ruby programmers it''s easier to extend and fix. Plus, it''s just fun. Nothing wrong with reinventing the wheel provided that you do it better than before ;-) Ben
Sean Stephens-2 wrote:> > ... > I don''t agree. Half the time, emails to the list that are sent from the > forum are "out of context" because the reply did not quote the original > and the replier assumes it''s just being read by the forum reader. For > those of us that just use the list, that leaves fragmented messages that > have no context in order to give a meaningful response. > ... >That is true. But forcing a user to quote in reply can also cause excessive nested quotes ... A simpler solution to this problem is to have the current "Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/" tag line linking back to the corresponding thread in that forum. By the way, I am a member of a project called Nabble - part of it has a similiar idea to Gmane and RForum in providing mailing lists with a searchable archive, a threaded view, and a web gateway. Nabble also uses Lucene for search. The difference is that Nabble allows to combine child lists for browsing and search. For example, RubyOnRails has several mailing lists, instead of browsing and searching them separately, you can also browse and search from the common parent here: http://www.nabble.com/Ruby-on-Rails-f13830.html Or here is a combined archive of all Ruby related lists organized in heirachy: http://www.nabble.com/Ruby-Lang-f13925.html I am posting from Nabble''s interface. If you want to view the context of this thread, you can click the link at the end of the message. The default view is a flat dump view, but there is a "View Threaded" link that you can click, then it will become a threaded view. That will show the context of a post bridged from web. I hope this can help the discussion. Will L Nabble.com -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/RForum-Software-Sucks--t946433.html#a2479858 Sent from the RubyOnRails Users forum at Nabble.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060119/05117990/attachment-0001.html
LOL - I wrote the original post in such a way that I thought it would elicit some good responses and get some dialog going on this issue. It is too easy to accept the status quo and accept marginal functionality. I really like Ruby and Rails. Wouldn''t posting/reading here otherwise. But is it really necessary to have the forum running on Rails? I''m here to get information not because the forum/list runs on Rails. Is is possible to interface the list to a php type forum? (I''m talking about a forum in the classic sense) Thanks to all of you for your replies. Let''s keep this going and get something better. Rick -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
Rick Williams wrote:> LOL - I wrote the original post in such a way that I thought it would > elicit some good responses and get some dialog going on this issue. It > is too easy to accept the status quo and accept marginal functionality. > > I really like Ruby and Rails. Wouldn''t posting/reading here otherwise. > But is it really necessary to have the forum running on Rails? I''m here > to get information not because the forum/list runs on Rails. > > Is is possible to interface the list to a php type forum? (I''m talking > about a forum in the classic sense) > > Thanks to all of you for your replies. Let''s keep this going and get > something better. > > RickRick, The mailing list doesn''t run on rails or RForum any more than the internet runs on internet explorer. It is a separate entity, which Andreas made a simple interface to. Sure, you could set up a PHP forum to do the same thing. There are other alternatives for this list out there as well. _Kevin -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
Rick Williams wrote:> Is is possible to interface the list to a php type forum? (I''m talking > about a forum in the classic sense)It''s just a mailing list. I''m reading it perfectly happily in Thunderbird, but then I probably read it far more often than most. I''m sure that, if it''s possible, someone out there will have found a way. -- Alex
On Jan 20, 2006, at 11:00 AM, Rick Williams wrote:> I really like Ruby and Rails. Wouldn''t posting/reading here > otherwise. > But is it really necessary to have the forum running on Rails? I''m > here > to get information not because the forum/list runs on Rails.Rick, I would argue, yes, the use of RForum, instead of php solution is important. Rails, being the new kid on the block, needs applications like RForum to show by example what can be done. The fact that Andreas has taken the time to build this application and release it, is a credit to him and an example of the communities spirit. Much can be learned from those that have tackled the low hanging fruit, RForum (forums), Typo (blogging), etc. -- Lon Baker http://www.speedymac.com AIM: spdemac
Rick Williams wrote:> (Donning flameproof suit) > > Am I the only person who thinks that the Ruby forum software sucks? >I''d vote for a new UI. There''s something not right which makes it hard on my eyes and head. Maybe it''s the red on white, or font, font size, or spacing - who knows, I''m not a designer. All I know is it''s hard for me to read. Searching does need work also. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
> But, (hypothetically) if we were to give up the mailing list, I don''t > see any reason to further RForum. Why reinvent the wheel?For convenience, let me narrow down the scope of realistic outcomes of this debate: The mailing list isn''t going any where. But as you can see from the url, http://www.ruby-forum.com, the web-based gateway is just a service offered by Andreas. It''s not necessarily _the_ service. If you think you can setup something that''s better, then more power to you. I believe http://www.better-ruby-forum.com is available. I for one appreciate Andreas'' work. The value of doing dwarfs the value of complaining by at least 1539%. So please do convert the time of complaints, especially when worded in an offensive manner, into time for improvement. You''ll feel much better afterwards. Kinda like actually going to the gym beats watching people running on TV. -- David Heinemeier Hansson http://www.loudthinking.com -- Broadcasting Brain http://www.basecamphq.com -- Online project management http://www.backpackit.com -- Personal information manager http://www.rubyonrails.com -- Web-application framework
> It''s the only Ruby on Rails forum software I know of (correct me if > there''s more?).Opinion, the forum software which will be used for shopify''s customer comunity and support is done and will be released under an open source licence soon. I hope that we can setup a typo support forum based on opinion soon to give it a wirl. -- Tobi http://jadedpixel.com - modern e-commerce software http://typo.leetsoft.com - Open source weblog engine http://blog.leetsoft.com - Technical weblog
> Kinda like actually going to the gym beats watching people running on TV.Doesn''t that depend on what channel you''re on? Bob Silva> -----Original Message----- > From: rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org [mailto:rails- > bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org] On Behalf Of David Heinemeier Hansson > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 5:05 PM > To: rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > Subject: Re: [Rails] Re: Re: RForum Software Sucks? > > > But, (hypothetically) if we were to give up the mailing list, I don''t > > see any reason to further RForum. Why reinvent the wheel? > > For convenience, let me narrow down the scope of realistic outcomes of > this debate: The mailing list isn''t going any where. > > But as you can see from the url, http://www.ruby-forum.com, the > web-based gateway is just a service offered by Andreas. It''s not > necessarily _the_ service. If you think you can setup something that''s > better, then more power to you. I believe > http://www.better-ruby-forum.com is available. > > I for one appreciate Andreas'' work. The value of doing dwarfs the > value of complaining by at least 1539%. So please do convert the time > of complaints, especially when worded in an offensive manner, into > time for improvement. You''ll feel much better afterwards. Kinda like > actually going to the gym beats watching people running on TV. > -- > David Heinemeier Hansson > http://www.loudthinking.com -- Broadcasting Brain > http://www.basecamphq.com -- Online project management > http://www.backpackit.com -- Personal information manager > http://www.rubyonrails.com -- Web-application framework > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails