Here''s a gotchya that cost me a couple hours. Maybe this will help someone else. I had a model :User in a controller. This was code that pre-dated not needing the model line for most cases. The problem was elsewhere it was loaded as :user. Apparently, it does a case-sensative compare on what has already been loaded. Because User != user in this it then loads User.rb. On Windows, anyway, user.rb and User.rb are the same file. So the file is loaded twice. It had a habtm association. habtm renames a method and creates a new method which calls the old. The second time this happens the old and new method will infinate loop upon each other. So watch out for case issues or files may be loaded multiple times. Hope this helps someone. -- Jack Christensen jackc-/SOt/BrQZzOj3I+7jmQ39gC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org