Hi all, In 4 weeks, I''ll have to install a - my first - small Rails app for a client. More will come later. (small => less than 5-10 people connected at any time, max 1GB required for photos storage). As my criteria are partially conflicting, I''m afraid no single hoster matches all of them: 1/ I can read a guide, but I''m not a Linux/Apache/FCGI Guru, and I''ll have to install and maintain the whole stuff. => I want painlessness and peace of mind: easy to config, stable, reliable, with good/excellent Rails support. 2/ I include the hosting in my bill, or have the client purchase it separately => I want it - reasonably - cheap- , or with a good referral plan. 3/ The planned apps are "small", and not very demanding, but they cannot be/look sluggish. Typically, I would also need 0.5-2+Gb per apps, for files and photo storage => Cannot share one Lifetime TextDrive account accross 20 clients. Too bad. After two hours on the net, I''m back with more questions and doubts than before: - Dreamhost is very tempting (low price + super high referral amount!!), but looks risky (? Rails support). - PlanetArgon is tempting (good Rails support and apparently painless installation & config), but a little pricey (for small/mini-apps) if I use one account per app/client. - RailsBase hasn''t landed yet, and I have no idea of the seat price. I thought about sharing one PlanetArgon account for 3-4 small apps. The disk space and bandwidth are sufficient. How about the response time? Is this a good idea? Any comment, suggestion and/or experience is welcome. Please enlight me; I''m a little lost. TIA. Alain R.
Laurent Muchacho
2005-Dec-10 15:04 UTC
RE: Looking for a reliable + painless + cheap + ... hoster
Hi Alain, A friend recommended http://www.dreamhost.com to a similar request I did for rails hosting. They are doing a really sweet deal and it''s pretty cheap. Also my friend mention that the technical support guy are Ace and really friendly and really open to help you out if you need extra stuff installed on the server. Laurent -----Original Message----- From: rails-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org [mailto:rails-bounces-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Alain Ravet Sent: 10 December 2005 14:45 To: rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org Subject: [Rails] Looking for a reliable + painless + cheap + ... hoster Hi all, In 4 weeks, I''ll have to install a - my first - small Rails app for a client. More will come later. (small => less than 5-10 people connected at any time, max 1GB required for photos storage). As my criteria are partially conflicting, I''m afraid no single hoster matches all of them: 1/ I can read a guide, but I''m not a Linux/Apache/FCGI Guru, and I''ll have to install and maintain the whole stuff. => I want painlessness and peace of mind: easy to config, stable, reliable, with good/excellent Rails support. 2/ I include the hosting in my bill, or have the client purchase it separately => I want it - reasonably - cheap- , or with a good referral plan. 3/ The planned apps are "small", and not very demanding, but they cannot be/look sluggish. Typically, I would also need 0.5-2+Gb per apps, for files and photo storage => Cannot share one Lifetime TextDrive account accross 20 clients. Too bad. After two hours on the net, I''m back with more questions and doubts than before: - Dreamhost is very tempting (low price + super high referral amount!!), but looks risky (? Rails support). - PlanetArgon is tempting (good Rails support and apparently painless installation & config), but a little pricey (for small/mini-apps) if I use one account per app/client. - RailsBase hasn''t landed yet, and I have no idea of the seat price. I thought about sharing one PlanetArgon account for 3-4 small apps. The disk space and bandwidth are sufficient. How about the response time? Is this a good idea? Any comment, suggestion and/or experience is welcome. Please enlight me; I''m a little lost. TIA. Alain R. _______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
Gael Pourriel
2005-Dec-10 15:07 UTC
Re: Looking for a reliable + painless + cheap + ... hoster
Hi Alain, I''ve got a dreamhost account and I''ve tried to build a Rail app on my account for the sake of trying. The installation went fine providing you follow the explanation on the KB forums for rails on the dreamhost web site. I''ve tried FCGI and it''s also pretty simple, all you need to do is tick a box in the panel to enable FastCGI and edit a couple of .htaccess file in the Rails dir. Using FCGI the application seemed to respond fast enough but I dont know how well it would behave under heavier load. In a nutshell, I found it easy to deploy Rails apps using Dreamhost. Gael On 10/12/05, Alain Ravet <arav2132-6SW1mVBvVAbXsMajfR9tMA@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > > Hi all, > > > In 4 weeks, I''ll have to install a - my first - small Rails app for a > client. More will come later. > (small => less than 5-10 people connected at any time, max 1GB required > for photos storage). > > > As my criteria are partially conflicting, I''m afraid no single hoster > matches all of them: > > 1/ > I can read a guide, but I''m not a Linux/Apache/FCGI Guru, and I''ll have > to install and maintain the whole stuff. > => I want painlessness and peace of mind: easy to config, stable, > reliable, with good/excellent Rails support. > > 2/ > I include the hosting in my bill, or have the client purchase it > separately > => I want it - reasonably - cheap- , or with a good referral plan. > > 3/ > The planned apps are "small", and not very demanding, but they cannot > be/look sluggish. Typically, I would also need 0.5-2+Gb per apps, for > files and photo storage > => Cannot share one Lifetime TextDrive account accross 20 clients. Too > bad. > > > After two hours on the net, I''m back with more questions and doubts than > before: > - Dreamhost is very tempting (low price + super high referral amount!!), > but looks risky (? Rails support). > - PlanetArgon is tempting (good Rails support and apparently painless > installation & config), but a little pricey (for small/mini-apps) if I > use one account per app/client. > - RailsBase hasn''t landed yet, and I have no idea of the seat price. > > > I thought about sharing one PlanetArgon account for 3-4 small apps. The > disk space and bandwidth are sufficient. How about the response time? Is > this a good idea? > > Any comment, suggestion and/or experience is welcome. Please enlight me; > I''m a little lost. > > > TIA. > > Alain R. > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >_______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
Gael Pourriel
2005-Dec-10 15:25 UTC
Re: Looking for a reliable + painless + cheap + ... hoster
It''s all explained here for Dreamhost: http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php/Ruby_on_Rails Gael PS: I second Laurent on that one and I will also say that Dreamhost staff know what they''re doing. On 10/12/05, Gael Pourriel <gael.pourriel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > Hi Alain, I''ve got a dreamhost account and I''ve tried to build a Rail app > on my account for the sake of trying. The installation went fine providing > you follow the explanation on the KB forums for rails on the dreamhost web > site. > I''ve tried FCGI and it''s also pretty simple, all you need to do is tick a > box in the panel to enable FastCGI and edit a couple of .htaccess file in > the Rails dir. Using FCGI the application seemed to respond fast enough but > I dont know how well it would behave under heavier load. > In a nutshell, I found it easy to deploy Rails apps using Dreamhost. > > Gael > > > > On 10/12/05, Alain Ravet < arav2132-6SW1mVBvVAbXsMajfR9tMA@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > In 4 weeks, I''ll have to install a - my first - small Rails app for a > > client. More will come later. > > (small => less than 5-10 people connected at any time, max 1GB required > > for photos storage). > > > > > > As my criteria are partially conflicting, I''m afraid no single hoster > > matches all of them: > > > > 1/ > > I can read a guide, but I''m not a Linux/Apache/FCGI Guru, and I''ll have > > to install and maintain the whole stuff. > > => I want painlessness and peace of mind: easy to config, stable, > > reliable, with good/excellent Rails support. > > > > 2/ > > I include the hosting in my bill, or have the client purchase it > > separately > > => I want it - reasonably - cheap- , or with a good referral plan. > > > > 3/ > > The planned apps are "small", and not very demanding, but they cannot > > be/look sluggish. Typically, I would also need 0.5-2+Gb per apps, for > > files and photo storage > > => Cannot share one Lifetime TextDrive account accross 20 clients. Too > > bad. > > > > > > After two hours on the net, I''m back with more questions and doubts than > > > > before: > > - Dreamhost is very tempting (low price + super high referral amount!!), > > but looks risky (? Rails support). > > - PlanetArgon is tempting (good Rails support and apparently painless > > installation & config), but a little pricey (for small/mini-apps) if I > > use one account per app/client. > > - RailsBase hasn''t landed yet, and I have no idea of the seat price. > > > > > > I thought about sharing one PlanetArgon account for 3-4 small apps. The > > disk space and bandwidth are sufficient. How about the response time? Is > > > > this a good idea? > > > > Any comment, suggestion and/or experience is welcome. Please enlight me; > > I''m a little lost. > > > > > > TIA. > > > > Alain R. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > >_______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
Ryan Wood
2005-Dec-10 15:28 UTC
Re: Looking for a reliable + painless + cheap + ... hoster
I have to recommend www.asmallorange.com. They have excellent service and tremendous flexibility. I was able to get a number of rails sites set up with mimimal effort without much linux experience on their shared hosting. Pricing is very reasonable and they also do not limit you regarding number of sites hosted, only by space and bandwidth. I''ve been very pleased. --Ryan On 12/10/05, Gael Pourriel <gael.pourriel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Hi Alain, I''ve got a dreamhost account and I''ve tried to build a Rail app on > my account for the sake of trying. The installation went fine providing you > follow the explanation on the KB forums for rails on the dreamhost web site. > I''ve tried FCGI and it''s also pretty simple, all you need to do is tick a > box in the panel to enable FastCGI and edit a couple of .htaccess file in > the Rails dir. Using FCGI the application seemed to respond fast enough but > I dont know how well it would behave under heavier load. > In a nutshell, I found it easy to deploy Rails apps using Dreamhost. > > Gael > > > > > On 10/12/05, Alain Ravet < arav2132-6SW1mVBvVAbXsMajfR9tMA@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > In 4 weeks, I''ll have to install a - my first - small Rails app for a > > client. More will come later. > > (small => less than 5-10 people connected at any time, max 1GB required > > for photos storage). > > > > > > As my criteria are partially conflicting, I''m afraid no single hoster > > matches all of them: > > > > 1/ > > I can read a guide, but I''m not a Linux/Apache/FCGI Guru, and I''ll have > > to install and maintain the whole stuff. > > => I want painlessness and peace of mind: easy to config, stable, > > reliable, with good/excellent Rails support. > > > > 2/ > > I include the hosting in my bill, or have the client purchase it > separately > > => I want it - reasonably - cheap- , or with a good referral plan. > > > > 3/ > > The planned apps are "small", and not very demanding, but they cannot > > be/look sluggish. Typically, I would also need 0.5-2+Gb per apps, for > > files and photo storage > > => Cannot share one Lifetime TextDrive account accross 20 clients. Too > bad. > > > > > > After two hours on the net, I''m back with more questions and doubts than > > before: > > - Dreamhost is very tempting (low price + super high referral amount!!), > > but looks risky (? Rails support). > > - PlanetArgon is tempting (good Rails support and apparently painless > > installation & config), but a little pricey (for small/mini-apps) if I > > use one account per app/client. > > - RailsBase hasn''t landed yet, and I have no idea of the seat price. > > > > > > I thought about sharing one PlanetArgon account for 3-4 small apps. The > > disk space and bandwidth are sufficient. How about the response time? Is > > this a good idea? > > > > Any comment, suggestion and/or experience is welcome. Please enlight me; > > I''m a little lost. > > > > > > TIA. > > > > Alain R. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > >
Matias Surdi
2005-Dec-10 22:44 UTC
Re: Looking for a reliable + painless + cheap + ... hoster
Gael Pourriel escribió:> Hi Alain, I''ve got a dreamhost account and I''ve tried to build a Rail > app on my account for the sake of trying. The installation went fine > providing you follow the explanation on the KB forums for rails on the > dreamhost web site. > I''ve tried FCGI and it''s also pretty simple, all you need to do is tick > a box in the panel to enable FastCGI and edit a couple of .htaccess file > in the Rails dir. Using FCGI the application seemed to respond fast > enough but I dont know how well it would behave under heavier load. > In a nutshell, I found it easy to deploy Rails apps using Dreamhost. > > Gael > > > > On 10/12/05, *Alain Ravet* < > arav2132-6SW1mVBvVAbXsMajfR9tMA@public.gmane.org > <mailto:arav2132-6SW1mVBvVAbXsMajfR9tMA@public.gmane.org>> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > In 4 weeks, I''ll have to install a - my first - small Rails app for a > client. More will come later. > (small => less than 5-10 people connected at any time, max 1GB required > for photos storage). > > > As my criteria are partially conflicting, I''m afraid no single hoster > matches all of them: > > 1/ > I can read a guide, but I''m not a Linux/Apache/FCGI Guru, and I''ll have > to install and maintain the whole stuff. > => I want painlessness and peace of mind: easy to config, stable, > reliable, with good/excellent Rails support. > > 2/ > I include the hosting in my bill, or have the client purchase it > separately > => I want it - reasonably - cheap- , or with a good referral plan. > > 3/ > The planned apps are "small", and not very demanding, but they cannot > be/look sluggish. Typically, I would also need 0.5-2+Gb per apps, for > files and photo storage > => Cannot share one Lifetime TextDrive account accross 20 clients. > Too bad. > > > After two hours on the net, I''m back with more questions and doubts > than > before: > - Dreamhost is very tempting (low price + super high referral amount!!), > but looks risky (? Rails support). > - PlanetArgon is tempting (good Rails support and apparently painless > installation & config), but a little pricey (for small/mini-apps) if I > use one account per app/client. > - RailsBase hasn''t landed yet, and I have no idea of the seat price. > > > I thought about sharing one PlanetArgon account for 3-4 small apps. The > disk space and bandwidth are sufficient. How about the response > time? Is > this a good idea? > > Any comment, suggestion and/or experience is welcome. Please enlight me; > I''m a little lost. > > > TIA. > > Alain R. > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > <mailto:Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/railsI also use dreamhost, it rocks..
Alain Ravet
2005-Dec-11 20:53 UTC
Re: Looking for a reliable + painless + cheap + ... hoster
Matias, Gael, and all
> I also use dreamhost, it rocks..
I''ve just received a reply from Dreamhost''s sales dept, where
they
confirmed that
"... 200-300 users per machine is a good estimate. ..."
(they have 300+ servers, and host 166.000 domains)
They also wrote:
"At the moment, both Ruby and Ruby on Rails are simply hogs of an app.
They require a lot of fine tuning and good programming to run lean.
RoR performance on our machines is less than desirable,
although acceptable for a $120/year budget host."
Choosing a shared hosting plan looks like a leap of faith.
If there were a standard benchmark Rails app, with live results, that
anybody could just install in his account, we could test each hoster in
a snap: all it would take is for one of their users to install the app,
and post the url on the wiki.
It wouldn''t take much to make it automatically queryable, collect
results on a hourly base, and draw a nice graph.
Alain
Jan Prill
2005-Dec-11 21:48 UTC
Re: Re: Looking for a reliable + painless + cheap + ... hoster
"hogs of an app." wohoahoe... thats some interesting marketing speech. regards Jan Alain Ravet wrote:> Matias, Gael, and all > > > I also use dreamhost, it rocks.. > > I''ve just received a reply from Dreamhost''s sales dept, where they > confirmed that > "... 200-300 users per machine is a good estimate. ..." > > (they have 300+ servers, and host 166.000 domains) > > They also wrote: > "At the moment, both Ruby and Ruby on Rails are simply hogs of an app. > They require a lot of fine tuning and good programming to run lean. > RoR performance on our machines is less than desirable, > although acceptable for a $120/year budget host." > > > > > Choosing a shared hosting plan looks like a leap of faith. > If there were a standard benchmark Rails app, with live results, that > anybody could just install in his account, we could test each hoster > in a snap: all it would take is for one of their users to install the > app, and post the url on the wiki. > It wouldn''t take much to make it automatically queryable, collect > results on a hourly base, and draw a nice graph. > > Alain > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >
Alain Ravet
2005-Dec-12 14:12 UTC
Re: Looking for a reliable + painless + cheap + ... hoster
Matias > I also use dreamhost, it rocks.. What kind of performance can one expect when one shares a server with 200-300 other accounts? Alain
Tom Wilcoxen
2005-Dec-12 15:20 UTC
Re: Re: Looking for a reliable + painless + cheap + ... hoster
The performance on my rails apps at Dreamhost is great. I have a Typo blog (see sig) and a substantially complicated (30-ish tables) app that is used by hundreds of users. Each runs fine, but they do take some attention to make sure they''re healthy. Rails apps _are_ hogs -- by comparison to PHP apps that are more typical at a shared host. Each fcgi process will consume 20-30MB of ram, _if_ it''s healthy. Much more if you have a memory leak. Many people put up apps in development mode which is just not going to work (see point 3): http://weblog.textdrive.com/article/175/rails-optimizing-resource-usage Personally I find it refreshing that Dreamhost is so upfront with potential customers. RoR apps are not easy to deploy. I think in any case you should be prepared for some work in deploying and maintaining your apps, particularly as you get them running clean. -Tom http://convergentarts.com/ On 12/12/05, Alain Ravet <arav2132-6SW1mVBvVAbXsMajfR9tMA@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > Matias > > I also use dreamhost, it rocks.. > > > What kind of performance can one expect when one shares a server with > 200-300 other accounts? > > Alain > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >_______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
Alain Ravet
2005-Dec-13 13:00 UTC
Re: Looking for a reliable + painless + cheap + ... hoster
Tom
> Personally I find it refreshing that Dreamhost is so upfront with
> potential customers.
I agree. The number of accounts/server is a trade-secret for too many
hosters, as if they were ashamed of it.
I asked the same question to PlanetArgon but got no valuable/numerical
answer. TextDrive only indicates that on business account (min
60$/month), each server host maximum 20 accounts. For standard accounts,
I wonder..
We need some form of performance benchmarks Rails app, to compare
hosting types - dedicated, Virtual, Shared - and hosters .
Alain R.