Rails - Aug 2005 - Rails mailinglist summary anyone?

Hi all,

I have this problem (oh, I actually have more than one, but one
in particular that I''d like to share at the time being :-) ).
I''m interested
in RoR (as in played with it for a couple of hours, ordered the book and
generally
try to keep up to date), but I''m not actively developing anything for
RoR.
I''ve been subscribing to this mailinglist for a few weeks and find it
really
interesting. However, since I''m not actively developing it''s
currently too
high-volume for me.

Ruby Weekly News (http://www.rubyweeklynews.org/) is
a great summary of the ruby-talk/comp.lang.ruby, and Python-URL!
(http://www.ddj.com/topic/pythonurl/)
is the same thing but for comp.lang.python. They are great for lurkers like
me!

So basically what I''m looking for is the corresponding thing for this
mailinglist. Is there such a thing that I''ve missed? If not, if anyone
feels
that it would be an interesting thing to do I would really appreciate it :-)


Thanks in advance,
Jonas

jonasb.12671723-opCBI309nnGakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org writes:
> So basically what I''m looking for is the corresponding thing for
> this mailinglist. Is there such a thing that I''ve missed? If not,
if
> anyone feels that it would be an interesting thing to do I would
> really appreciate it :-)
I didn''t want to volunteer without actually having something to show,
but I also didn''t want to let this lie.

I did some checking with Zack Brown of Kernel Traffic about how he
handles summarizing the linux-kernel mailing list.  He''s got a nice
system in place, but it''s all based on XML/XSLT and individual text
files.  The one thing Zack brings to this is over six years of
summarizing one of the highest volume technical mailing lists in
existence.  He certainly understands what''s important and
what''s not
in terms of tracking this stuff.

I looked at his system and started setting it up for this rails list.
However, I couldn''t help but think it should be developed in Rails as
a web app.  I''ve done a little hacking on it at the model layer. 
I''ve
also talked with Zack about the requirements for a web app to track
summaries of a mailing list.  I think I''ve got a good handle on what
needs to be done.

Ultimately, code talks louder than words.  So, I''ll shut up now and go
back to coding.  I''ll follow up here when I actually have something to
show.
-- 
doug-jGAhs73c5XxeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org

On 8/17/05, Doug Alcorn <doug-jGAhs73c5XxeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
> jonasb.12671723-opCBI309nnGakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org writes:
> 
> > So basically what I''m looking for is the corresponding thing
for
> > this mailinglist. Is there such a thing that I''ve missed? If
not, if
> > anyone feels that it would be an interesting thing to do I would
> > really appreciate it :-)
> 
> I didn''t want to volunteer without actually having something to
show,
> but I also didn''t want to let this lie.
> 
> I did some checking with Zack Brown of Kernel Traffic about how he
> handles summarizing the linux-kernel mailing list.  He''s got a
nice
> system in place, but it''s all based on XML/XSLT and individual
text
> files.  The one thing Zack brings to this is over six years of
> summarizing one of the highest volume technical mailing lists in
> existence.  He certainly understands what''s important and
what''s not
> in terms of tracking this stuff.
> 
> I looked at his system and started setting it up for this rails list.
> However, I couldn''t help but think it should be developed in Rails
as
> a web app.  I''ve done a little hacking on it at the model layer. 
I''ve
> also talked with Zack about the requirements for a web app to track
> summaries of a mailing list.  I think I''ve got a good handle on
what
> needs to be done.
> 
> Ultimately, code talks louder than words.  So, I''ll shut up now
and go
> back to coding.  I''ll follow up here when I actually have
something to
> show.
> --
> doug-jGAhs73c5XxeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org
> _______________________________________________
> Rails mailing list
> Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org
> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
> 
Are we talking about a manual process where a reader just summarizes
what he thinks is important? If so, where is the need for a web app
beyond a blog?  Maybe I''m missing something...

Also, If his system works as is and gets the job done, why redo it in Rails?
- Rob
-- 
http://www.robsanheim.com/

Thanks Doug for responding!

It''s one of those things where those who have
the need lack the knowledge/time, and those who have the knowledge/time lack
the need.

I hope you''ll have something to show in the future :-)

/Jonas

(jonas.b-7XRkppT4KCs@public.gmane.org)

--- doug-jGAhs73c5XxeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org wrote:
jonasb.12671723-opCBI309nnGakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org
writes:
> I didn''t want to volunteer without actually having something to
show,
> but I also didn''t want to let this lie.

Rob Sanheim <rsanheim-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:
> Are we talking about a manual process where a reader just summarizes
> what he thinks is important? If so, where is the need for a web app
> beyond a blog?  Maybe I''m missing something...
Yes, it''s a manual process of summarizing the interesting parts of
interesting threads.  It will be very blog like.  Something like a
highly structured blog.  We want to track who''s active in what
threads.  I encourage you to take a look at
http://www.kernel-traffic.org/kernel-traffic/latest.html.  Zack''s
tracking who said what in which threads.  So you can search by people
to see what threads they''ve participated in and cross-reference those.
> Also, If his system works as is and gets the job done, why redo it
> in Rails?
There''s two reasons to redo it in rails.  First, eat your own dog
food.  Assuming this works well, I''d want it to live on the
rubyonrails.com domain.  It''d be a shame to use PHP (for instance;
there''s no PHP in Zack''s publishing system) on the
rubyonrails.com
domain.  

Second, for me to do this on a regular basis I''m going to need help.
AFAIK, Zack pretty much does it all himself for kernel traffic.  I
think a limiting factor would be to ask people to hand-code XML files
for inclusion in the summary.  Having a web app may make it easier
for people to contribute.

Plus I can fairly easily validate the input on a web form and provide
immediate feedback rather than getting their XML file via email or
something and then kicking it back when there''s errors.

Finally, Zack says his system takes almost a full day of effort.  I''m
sure some of that effort is in the care and feeding of his system.  He
and I both agree that it could be easier to manage as a web app.  In
fact, if this works out he said he might consider switching.

Again, less talk and more code...
-- 
doug-jGAhs73c5XxeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org

Hello,

My studio, Iridesco, Inc, a NYC design and technology studio is looking 
for a Ruby on Rails developer to collaborate on some challenging and fun 
projects.

We don’t expect a seasoned person in Rails, but we’re looking for 
somebody who is experienced in at least one other programming language 
(something beyond a scripting language would be nice) and writes neat, 
readable and sensible code.  Also, we''d like to work with people who
are
honest, open-minded, responsible and have good manners.

Work arrangement is flexible – though we would like at least 20 hours a 
week from the person.

More about us: the company is three years old and our site is not done 
yet because we’ve been kinda busy. One of us is obsessed with bicycles 
while the other likes to play with paper but feels guilty because of the 
dead trees.  We''re pretty laid back, but very serious about our work.

If you''re interested, let''s talk more.  Some info
we''d need from you
(can be a resume, if you prefer):

1. who are you?
2. where are you? and if you''re near nyc, would you be able to come in 
to our studio and work?
3. what is your experience in programming and ruby on rails?
4. what are you looking for in our collaboration?
5. what are your interests/passions?
6. what''s your choice of editor (for programming)?
7. what''s the last book you read (other than Agile Web Development with
Rails)?
8. what else would you like for us to know about you, or of anything in 
particular?

Please write to work-7cySF2G8uHRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org

That''s all.  Thanks very much for your time.

-- 
Shawn Liu  /  Iridesco, Inc.  /  212.226.4160 /  212.226.4161 fax