If anyone wants to use/reuse them, my slides from ApacheCon are available at: http://www.chariotsolutions.com/slides/apachecon_rails.pdf The best part was that I hadn''t had a chance to go through all the code samples and .13-ify them, so the "What is Rails?" bullet point "Very Rapidly Evolving" was highlighted a number of times =) Presentation went pretty well, and I learned at least one of the core httpd guys is being paid to do a rails app at the moment. -Brian