Rails - Jul 2005 - anyone interested in cloning salesforce.com in rails?

if enough people are interested we could band together and build an open
source rails clone of salesforce.com

andrew

Andrew Stuart wrote:
>if enough people are interested we could band together and build an open
>source rails clone of salesforce.com
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>andrew
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Isn''t there already an open source PHP version of it out there 
(http://www.sugarcrm.org) already?

shooperman
http://blogs.shooperman.com

Yes SugarCRM is a clone of SalesForce and it''s built in PHP - thats the
point - I''d rather be running on rails.

I''m running SugarCRM at the moment and it''s okay but when I
look at the PHP
code under the hood I just think "blech - this should be in Rails".

Also Rails needs some really valuable/useful open source applications built
on it.  CRM is a great candidate for the Rails killer app.

Perhaps it could be called RailsForce or SalesRails or RailsSales or
something.

Andrew


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Andrew Stuart wrote:
>if enough people are interested we could band together and build an open
>source rails clone of salesforce.com
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>andrew
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Isn''t there already an open source PHP version of it out there
(http://www.sugarcrm.org) already?

shooperman
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Andrew Stuart wrote:
> RailsSales 
That one has a nice ring to it!  :-)

~Dave

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Sales on Rails?
Sales Sails on Rails? (maybe that''s a better title for the launch
announcement)
SailsForce?

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Andrew Stuart wrote:
> RailsSales
That one has a nice ring to it!  :-)

~Dave

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My vote for the project name is David Chelimsky''s suggestion of Sales
On
Rails - nice one David.

Now does anyone out there have a need for a CRM and would like to
participate in buiding a Rails based sales CRM system?

Andrew

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Sales on Rails?
Sales Sails on Rails? (maybe that''s a better title for the launch
announcement)
SailsForce?

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Andrew Stuart wrote:
> RailsSales
That one has a nice ring to it!  :-)

~Dave

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My unsolicited advice would be that ''Sales on Rails'' or
anything
containing the words ruby or rails is not needed or helpful. 

Anyone using ruby or rails will know about it, and any client isn''t
gonna pick something cause it says ''Rails'' in the name. Pick a
good name
for a CRM project, something related to CRM, and the Rails part will
handle itself...


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I (sadly) agree. 

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Subject: Re: [Rails] anyone interested in cloning salesforce.com in rails?

My unsolicited advice would be that ''Sales on Rails'' or
anything containing
the words ruby or rails is not needed or helpful. 

Anyone using ruby or rails will know about it, and any client isn''t
gonna
pick something cause it says ''Rails'' in the name. Pick a good
name for a CRM
project, something related to CRM, and the Rails part will handle itself...


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On 7/2/05, David Chelimsky <david-KlVyb9BshxjEY7qOzZUwZA@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
> I (sadly) agree.
+1 

Besides, there are other ways to ''tip your hat'' to Rails.  You
could
use Action, Active , Pack, or Record as part of the name (or some mix
of them), and it would have a hidden meaning to the Rails crowd.

Active Record Sales
Active Sales Pack
Sales Action Pack
Record Sales Pack
etc.

I don''t think any of those are great names, but they have potential (I
like the last two), and they open up options that are more
''retail''
oriented.
 
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> 
> My unsolicited advice would be that ''Sales on Rails'' or
anything containing
> the words ruby or rails is not needed or helpful.
> 
> Anyone using ruby or rails will know about it, and any client
isn''t gonna
> pick something cause it says ''Rails'' in the name. Pick a
good name for a CRM
> project, something related to CRM, and the Rails part will handle itself...
> 
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> My vote for the project name is David Chelimsky''s suggestion of
Sales On
> Rails - nice one David.
Heh, that''s funny - and a great name. +1
> Now does anyone out there have a need for a CRM and would like to
> participate in buiding a Rails based sales CRM system?
I currently use SugarCRM - it''s dumb because it tries to do too much
inside one little app.-

Sugar covers ''Sales'' and ''Ticketing / Help
Desk'' - it does so inelegantly.

It would be, I think, far better to have separate little apps that all
have RSS feeds, and build a little overview ''dashboard'' which
is driven by
the RSS to provide an overview of what''s happening and how things are
going ;)

The flow of using Sugar is not very good, either. I have to enter a lead
and convert it to an opportunity. It''s much to official and
restrictive,
which means I don''t use it... I tend to use basecamp and get potential
customers on it as quickly as I possibly can ;)

I suggest this:

-Address Book
-Opportunities (or call it leads - they are the same thing in my mind)
-Accounts (current customers)
-Calendar
-Todos
-Messages (I think this should be done with email routing alone, so all
communication is done by normal email through the sales system, so it
(effortlessly) tracks all incoming and outgoing emails to accounts and
opportunities.


It''s funny - if I could, I''d have a set of loosely connected
systems that
all did email archiving and had good reporting; a combination of trac,
basecamp, and bits of sugarCRM seems perfect - with email archiving and a
little dashboard thrown in.

;)

_a

This article is a good resource if you''re looking to brainstorm a name:

http://www.identityworks.com/tools/naming.htm

Naming an open-source project is the same as any other branding 
activity. You need to consider your audience, the problems that the 
project addresses, and the unique benefits of the solution it offers.

Ben

On Jul 2, 2005, at 11:34 PM, Todd Grimason wrote:
> My unsolicited advice would be that ''Sales on Rails'' or
anything
> containing the words ruby or rails is not needed or helpful.
>
> Anyone using ruby or rails will know about it, and any client
isn''t
> gonna pick something cause it says ''Rails'' in the name.
Pick a good
> name
> for a CRM project, something related to CRM, and the Rails part will
> handle itself...
>
>
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Hi Alex,

I may be able to help with the email capture. I''ve already designed
tiny
email capture script (python) which I contracted python legend Mark Hammond
write.  It captures all inbound/outbound emails by inserting the script it
into the email flow upstream from your mail server.  The script then writes
the data into a Postgres database using a modified Yukatan email schema.
It''s not ruby but in this case Python is probably best for the job
because
of its mature and robust email handling libraries.

It works real nice. I''m now trying to learn enough rails to build an
application around its Postgres database.

This link leads to the catchmail webpage which is no longer publicly
available.
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/mysite/catchmail.old.htm

You can either import rfc822 emails from the file system, or you can use the
script in a live flow of email to and from a mail server.  To capture a live
flow of emails you''ll need moxy email proxy or emailrelay - both open
source
applications.

I have attached the newest version of catchmail to this email.

Andrew

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> My vote for the project name is David Chelimsky''s suggestion of
Sales On
> Rails - nice one David.
Heh, that''s funny - and a great name. +1
> Now does anyone out there have a need for a CRM and would like to
> participate in buiding a Rails based sales CRM system?
I currently use SugarCRM - it''s dumb because it tries to do too much
inside one little app.-

Sugar covers ''Sales'' and ''Ticketing / Help
Desk'' - it does so inelegantly.

It would be, I think, far better to have separate little apps that all
have RSS feeds, and build a little overview ''dashboard'' which
is driven by
the RSS to provide an overview of what''s happening and how things are
going ;)

The flow of using Sugar is not very good, either. I have to enter a lead
and convert it to an opportunity. It''s much to official and
restrictive,
which means I don''t use it... I tend to use basecamp and get potential
customers on it as quickly as I possibly can ;)

I suggest this:

-Address Book
-Opportunities (or call it leads - they are the same thing in my mind)
-Accounts (current customers)
-Calendar
-Todos
-Messages (I think this should be done with email routing alone, so all
communication is done by normal email through the sales system, so it
(effortlessly) tracks all incoming and outgoing emails to accounts and
opportunities.


It''s funny - if I could, I''d have a set of loosely connected
systems that
all did email archiving and had good reporting; a combination of trac,
basecamp, and bits of sugarCRM seems perfect - with email archiving and a
little dashboard thrown in.

;)

_a


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On 7/4/05, Andrew Stuart
<andrew.stuart-TWq/lk6o2i4FZYWR8B6FNDvXrrhHudLZEK66K81epY8@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
> It works real nice. I''m now trying to learn enough rails to build
an
> application around its Postgres database.
Anything that you are going to open? 

One of the projects on my todo list is developing an archiving tool
for my old email.  Pulling it out of my maildirs and pushing it into a
DB with some auto tagging based on folder names.  Then providing a
rails based faceted navigation system.

It would be good to have a standardise rails model and maybe some
standard view display code for your yukatan based schema.

Nicholas

hi nicholas

I''m coding something together at the moment but I''m an
occassional
programmer at best - I only code when I can''t pay someone else to do
it.

emailchemy is a commercial application which will convert your emails into
RFC822 format which can then be imported into a postgres database using my
catchmail script.  i seem to recall someone modified catchmail to import
directly from maildir folders.

I''m hacking Kent Sibilev''s Bugtrack for Rails application to
make it access
the catchmail postgres databases.

I''m happy to open at least part of what I do but it''ll
probably be pretty
average.

cheers

andrew


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Subject: Re: [Rails] anyone interested in cloning salesforce.com in rails?


On 7/4/05, Andrew Stuart
<andrew.stuart-TWq/lk6o2i4FZYWR8B6FNDvXrrhHudLZEK66K81epY8@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
> It works real nice. I''m now trying to learn enough rails to build
an
> application around its Postgres database.
Anything that you are going to open?

One of the projects on my todo list is developing an archiving tool
for my old email.  Pulling it out of my maildirs and pushing it into a
DB with some auto tagging based on folder names.  Then providing a
rails based faceted navigation system.

It would be good to have a standardise rails model and maybe some
standard view display code for your yukatan based schema.

Nicholas
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On 7/2/05, Todd Grimason <todd-cwT7Wi5Y1r1eoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
> My unsolicited advice would be that ''Sales on Rails'' or
anything
> containing the words ruby or rails is not needed or helpful.
> 
> Anyone using ruby or rails will know about it, and any client
isn''t
> gonna pick something cause it says ''Rails'' in the name.
Pick a good name
> for a CRM project, something related to CRM, and the Rails part will
> handle itself...
> 
> 
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While I agree in general, in this case in works. "Sales on Rails"
evokes imagery of sales facilitated, powerful sales, fast sales. ectc.
It''s pretty good in a way completely orthogonal to ROR. It''s
be a good
name for a php CRM app, IMHO.

-- 
Nicholas Van Weerdenburg

On 7/2/05, Andrew Stuart
<andrew.stuart-TWq/lk6o2i4FZYWR8B6FNDvXrrhHudLZEK66K81epY8@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
> if enough people are interested we could band together and build an open
> source rails clone of salesforce.com
> 
> andrew
> 
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It would interesting to extend CRM into more of a collaborative space
rather then the current transactional/accounting focus.

Also, depending on the market, it would be cool to pull the delivery
side of the business (post-sales., implementation) into the sales
side. This would make the solution specification a powerful part of
the sales process, helping project competence in the sales process.
Customers will pay a lot to not be scared.

Finally, focusing on CRM rather the SFA (sales force automation) and
the complete lifecycle of the customer relationship is a natural
extension of the first two points.

A couple of years ago, I was thinking of doing just such a thing.

-- 
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* Nicholas Van Weerdenburg [2005-07-05 22:55]:
 
> While I agree in general, in this case in works. "Sales on Rails"
> evokes imagery of sales facilitated, powerful sales, fast sales. ectc.
> It''s pretty good in a way completely orthogonal to ROR.
It''s be a good
> name for a php CRM app, IMHO.
right, I suppose that kinda works. I meant in general but missed this
case right in front of me. I still wouldn''t promote "Sales on
Rails" as
a flexible process though... sounds more like an assembly-line process
to my ears. But I''d say this is a big case of carriage before horse
right now.

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On 7/6/05, Andrew Stuart
<andrew.stuart-TWq/lk6o2i4FZYWR8B6FNDvXrrhHudLZEK66K81epY8@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
> I''m coding something together at the moment but I''m an
occassional
> programmer at best - I only code when I can''t pay someone else to
do it.
Same, although rails makes it very easy to be a productive occasional coder. :)
 
> emailchemy is a commercial application which will convert your emails into
> RFC822 format which can then be imported into a postgres database using my
> catchmail script.  i seem to recall someone modified catchmail to import
> directly from maildir folders.
Actually I''m not so interested in this side of things. Catchmail or
some modification is more than sufficient.
> I''m hacking Kent Sibilev''s Bugtrack for Rails application
to make it access
> the catchmail postgres databases.
> 
> I''m happy to open at least part of what I do but it''ll
probably be pretty
> average.
I''m more interested in the rails side of things. Component/model for
accessing email stored in a standard DB schema.  Seems like a useful
basic component needed for a whole pile of applications: crm, email
archive tool, mailing list manager, etc.

At the moment I''ve committed to adding multiple users  tracks, but in
the long run easy manipulation of email from a rails apps is going to
be very useful some ideas I want to try out. Including adding some
features to tracks.

Nicholas