Hello there ! I''m wondering why so many people don''t respect posting rules on this mailing-list. A lot of subscribers top-post when then reply and don''t delete useless quotations. It''s very annoying and moreover it wastes bandwidth for nothing. So I think that everybody should respect the base rules of posting on mailing-lists (or newsgroups or forums). When you reply a message, give your answer *after* the relevant part of the former message. If you don''t reply or discuss about a part of the former message, just delete it, we don''t care about anymore. Other thing, quotations should begin with some special character (like ''>'' for example) but not with a white space. Last but not least, why do you post using HTML when the message doesn''t need it ? Use plain-text, don''t waste bandwidth and don''t deprive users who have a plain-text-only mail-reader to read you. Hope that I''ll not annoy you with that but I think it would be better for everybody to post that way. -- Nicolas Cavigneaux | GPG KeyID : CFE76D24 nico-DRabjd/C3MEdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org | http://www.bounga.org _______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
There are rules? ;) I was not aware of any mailing list and/or e-mail client maintaining threaded conversations well enough to delete the content of prior messages on a thread. I''ll clean up when a message is horribly long, but otherwise relying on the email client to maintain a thread is much more difficult. I agree it''s a waste of bandwidth, though. Reply format is so e-mail client specific, I doubt there will ever be a standard. HTML in e-mail is evil! Many e-mail clients default this way because it''s "pretty". I complain about it all the time at work. I''ll get e-mails asking "What do you think about this?" with no other text. I finally realized that since I set my client to render in text format only, I didn''t get the embedded screenshot. Stupid HTML mail users! ;) Finally, I write replies at the top because I hate scrolling, scrolling, scrolling down to see that someone wrote "ditto". My $0.02. Cheers, Kevin Nicolas Cavigneaux wrote:> Hello there ! > > I''m wondering why so many people don''t respect posting rules on this > mailing-list. A lot of subscribers top-post when then reply and don''t > delete useless quotations. It''s very annoying and moreover it wastes > bandwidth for nothing. > > So I think that everybody should respect the base rules of posting on > mailing-lists (or newsgroups or forums). When you reply a message, give > your answer *after* the relevant part of the former message. If you > don''t reply or discuss about a part of the former message, just delete > it, we don''t care about anymore. > > Other thing, quotations should begin with some special character (like > ''>'' for example) but not with a white space. > > Last but not least, why do you post using HTML when the message doesn''t > need it ? Use plain-text, don''t waste bandwidth and don''t deprive users > who have a plain-text-only mail-reader to read you. > > Hope that I''ll not annoy you with that but I think it would be better > for everybody to post that way. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails---------- Scanned for viruses by ClamAV
On Fri, May 13, 2005, Nicolas Cavigneaux wrote:> Hello there ! > > I''m wondering why so many people don''t respect posting rules on this > mailing-list. A lot of subscribers top-post when then reply and don''t > delete useless quotations. It''s very annoying and moreover it wastes > bandwidth for nothing.Where are these rules that you speak of? I''ve never seen anything codified. Or did you mean common conventions that people on mailing lists tend to use? If there are rules, please point them out. I''ve just never seen such things and have a hard time believing that anyone would be so draconian as to attempt to place restrictions on how people can communicate with one another.> Other thing, quotations should begin with some special character (like > ''>'' for example) but not with a white space.I agree, and understand that it can be an inconvenience, but is it really so bad that you need to write to the entire list to complain about it?> Last but not least, why do you post using HTML when the message doesn''t > need it ? Use plain-text, don''t waste bandwidth and don''t deprive users > who have a plain-text-only mail-reader to read you.I use mutt, and I have no problem reading html mail. If your mail reader can''t handle it, perhaps you should consider an upgrade. Perhaps your email has the ability to shell out to an external program to parse mail? w3m is well suited for this purpose.> Hope that I''ll not annoy you with that but I think it would be better > for everybody to post that way.I agree with all of your points but I do not agree with attempting to publically brow-beat list members into falling into line. If you have a problem with the way a person posts, perhaps you could try speaking with that individual and gently suggesting that your mailing list experience would be a happier place if they posted differently and would they mind giving it a shot? A good friend of mine did just that with me, and look what a good mailing list poster I''ve become :P Better yet, find a solution on your end! I was annoyed with HTML mail, so I found a way around it rather than trying to change the world. This, in my mind, is the way things should be. If there can be a technical solution, there *should* be a technical solution. Regards, Ben
Nicolas Cavigneaux wrote:> Hello there ! > > I''m wondering why so many people don''t respect posting rules on this > mailing-list. A lot of subscribers top-post when then reply and don''t > delete useless quotations. It''s very annoying and moreover it wastes > bandwidth for nothing....> Hope that I''ll not annoy you with that but I think it would be better > for everybody to post that way.I believe someone asked about official posting guidelines a few weeks ago, but nothing came of it. While I''m not in favour of micromanaging "how people can communicate" I do feel that in a shared forum(like this list), common conventions (while not universal) can and do help the community at large communicate. I''d be quite pleased if this list adopted guidelines such as those developed for WebDesign-L[1]. I can''t think of one policy in the WD list that is offensive or onerous to follow. I see it instead as codified civility and courtesy. [1] http://webdesign-l.com/policies/ -- Lee
I appreciate top posting. GMail automatically collapeses quoted text at the bottom of a message. I see many GMail users here. For my money (free) it''s the best way to use newsgroups. On 5/13/05, Lee O''Mara <lee-O8glSrxzjJo@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > Nicolas Cavigneaux wrote: > > Hello there ! > > > > I''m wondering why so many people don''t respect posting rules on this > > mailing-list. A lot of subscribers top-post when then reply and don''t > > delete useless quotations. It''s very annoying and moreover it wastes > > bandwidth for nothing. > ... > > Hope that I''ll not annoy you with that but I think it would be better > > for everybody to post that way. > >_______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
On Fri, 13 May 2005, Barry Walker wrote:> I appreciate top posting. GMail automatically collapeses quoted text atBlech.. Top posting sucks ass. It''s for lazy people with crappy MUAs who don''t mind making their post more difficult to read. Same as you do with your code... make it look nice. --Steve
In article <1115977976.31988.84.camel-DRabjd/C3MEdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>, nico- DRabjd/C3MEdnm+yROfE0A-XMD5yJDbdMReXY1tMh2IBg@public.gmane.org says...> I''m wondering why so many people don''t respect posting rules on this > mailing-list. A lot of subscribers top-post when then reply and don''t > delete useless quotations. It''s very annoying and moreover it wastes > bandwidth for nothing.Nicholas, You realize you are attempting to "settle" a battle that has been going on for several decades now? -- Jay Levitt | Wellesley, MA | I feel calm. I feel ready. I can only Faster: jay at jay dot fm | conclude that''s because I don''t have a http://www.jay.fm | full grasp of the situation. - Mark Adler
Kevin Williams wrote:> I was not aware of any mailing list and/or e-mail client maintaining > threaded conversations well enough to delete the content of prior > messages on a thread.All real email / news clients do threading properly AFAIK and there *is* standards for this kind of thing. I really think that full-quotes really only belong into personal mail, if at all -- I think that just keeping the quote parts that are needed for understanding your response is the thing this should work out -- that way the message will still make sense outside of the thread.
Le vendredi 13 mai 2005 à 06:53 -0700, Ben Bleything a écrit :> > I''m wondering why so many people don''t respect posting rules on this > > mailing-list. A lot of subscribers top-post when then reply and don''t > > delete useless quotations. It''s very annoying and moreover it wastes > > bandwidth for nothing. > > Where are these rules that you speak of?One example could be http://linux.sgms-centre.com/misc/netiquette.php A lot of mailing-lists / newsgroups have specifics rules that can be read on a website, don''t know if this list has one.> I agree, and understand that it can be an inconvenience, but is it > really so bad that you need to write to the entire list to complain > about it?With this post to the list everybody know what I think about this subject and maybe that some readers will say "Yeah he''s wright, I should post that way".> I use mutt, and I have no problem reading html mail. If your mail > reader can''t handle it, perhaps you should consider an upgrade. Perhaps > your email has the ability to shell out to an external program to parse > mail? w3m is well suited for this purpose.I was a mutt user myself, it handles that pretty well, yes. But I think that archiving then searching in a lot of mails for given subject is easier when all the files are in plain-text. Thanks to that you can use whatever search tool you want. HTML mails reduce these possibilities> I agree with all of your points but I do not agree with attempting to > publically brow-beat list members into falling into line. If you have a > problem with the way a person posts, perhaps you could try speaking with > that individual and gently suggesting that your mailing list experience > would be a happier place if they posted differently and would they mind > giving it a shot? A good friend of mine did just that with me, and look > what a good mailing list poster I''ve become :PThat''s wright but it could be a very long job, posting to the list is easier, I''m a little bit lazy ;-). And yes you''re a good poster :-)> Better yet, find a solution on your end! I was annoyed with HTML mail, > so I found a way around it rather than trying to change the world.I can easily read HTML and plain mails, that''s not a real problem for me. I''m just thinking of the others who can''t. What I dislike the most is top-posting and useless quoting and there''s no MUA that can handle this for you.> This, in my mind, is the way things should be. If there can be a > technical solution, there *should* be a technical solution.I think that all users should do an effort to be readable, nothing more. Thank you for your opinion :-) Bye ! -- Nicolas Cavigneaux | GPG KeyID : CFE76D24 nico-DRabjd/C3MEdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org | http://www.bounga.org _______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
Nicolas Cavigneaux
2005-May-13 17:26 UTC
Re: Re: [OT] : Nobody cares about posting rules ?
Le vendredi 13 mai 2005 à 11:53 -0400, Jay Levitt a écrit :> In article <1115977976.31988.84.camel-DRabjd/C3MEdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>, nico- > DRabjd/C3MEdnm+yROfE0A-XMD5yJDbdMReXY1tMh2IBg@public.gmane.org says... > > I''m wondering why so many people don''t respect posting rules on this > > mailing-list. A lot of subscribers top-post when then reply and don''t > > delete useless quotations. It''s very annoying and moreover it wastes > > bandwidth for nothing. > > Nicholas, > > You realize you are attempting to "settle" a battle that has been going > on for several decades now?I know that but if only I can "convert" 10% of this list users I''ll be happy. -- Nicolas Cavigneaux | GPG KeyID : CFE76D24 nico-DRabjd/C3MEdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org | http://www.bounga.org _______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
Le vendredi 13 mai 2005 à 09:04 -0600, Barry Walker a écrit :> I appreciate top posting. GMail automatically collapeses quoted text > at the bottom of a message. I see many GMail users here. For my > money (free) it''s the best way to use newsgroups.Thinking that many users have Gmail so it will work is like developing a software and say "Oh ! After all most computer users use Windows so it doesn''t matter if it doesn''t work on Linux or Mac or whatever". That''s not a good way of thinking for a developer. -- Nicolas Cavigneaux | GPG KeyID : CFE76D24 nico-DRabjd/C3MEdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org | http://www.bounga.org _______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
I don''t care how many users have GMail. I have it, I like reading top posted posts. That''s all I''m saying. I would never presume to tell someone offering me free support how they should post their email. Post how you like. I appreciate the post. The format matters not. _______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
I''ll second that. Oh, I top-posted. Wah. On 5/13/05, Barry Walker <barryjr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> I don''t care how many users have GMail. I have it, I like reading top > posted posts. That''s all I''m saying. > > I would never presume to tell someone offering me free support how they > should post their email. Post how you like. I appreciate the post. The > format matters not. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > >
For some reason I''m reminded of this quote from A Few Good Men: "I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then question the manner in which I provide it." Jason On 5/13/05, Corey Lawson <corey.ssf.lawson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> I''ll second that. > > Oh, I top-posted. Wah. > > On 5/13/05, Barry Walker <barryjr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > I don''t care how many users have GMail. I have it, I like reading top > > posted posts. That''s all I''m saying. > > > > I would never presume to tell someone offering me free support how they > > should post their email. Post how you like. I appreciate the post. The > > format matters not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >
On 5/13/05, Kevin Williams <kevin-P4szbAuRZ8UqDJ6do+/SaQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:> I was not aware of any mailing list and/or e-mail client maintaining > threaded conversations well enough to delete the content of prior > messages on a thread. I''ll clean up when a message is horribly long, but > otherwise relying on the email client to maintain a thread is much more > difficult. I agree it''s a waste of bandwidth, though.Each paragraph you have written is a response to a specific paragraph in the message you are replying to. Doesn''t it make more sense to intersperse your replies with those of the message you are responding to? It would make the message easier to read.> Finally, I write replies at the top because I hate scrolling, scrolling, > scrolling down to see that someone wrote "ditto".Including a fullquote at either the top or the bottom of the message is wasteful. Proper replies need to be trimmed and replies put into the proper context. For example, what did your message gain by including the full text of the message you replied to at the bottom of the mail? There were two copies of the rails list signature at the end of your email... I fail to see what the purpose of that was. A: Because it makes stuff harder for humans to read. Q: Why is top posting so bad? A: Top posting. Q: What''s the most annoying thing about email? -- Urban Artography http://artography.ath.cx
Actually, while I''m thinking of it... I''d just like to take a moment to thank everyone on this list for all of their help and support over the past month in which I''ve been learning this Rails stuff. Thanks, everyone! The whole Rails community has been the most helpful and considerate one I''ve ever been a (virtual) part of! That''s all. -raymond
- Jay Levitt :> > I''m wondering why so many people don''t respect posting rules on this > > mailing-list. A lot of subscribers top-post when then reply and don''t > > delete useless quotations. It''s very annoying and moreover it wastes > > bandwidth for nothing. > > Nicholas, > > You realize you are attempting to "settle" a battle that has been going > on for several decades now?Well, wasting bandwith and making the list more difficult to search doesn''t seem a useful battle to fight :) Every community needs rules to communicate with respect and productivity, this is why we have RFC1855, "Netiquette guidelines". <cite> If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just enough text of the original to give a context. This will make sure readers understand when they start to read your response. Since NetNews, especially, is proliferated by distributing the postings from one host to another, it is possible to see a response to a message before seeing the original. Giving context helps everyone. But do not include the entire original! </cite> http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html As for HTML mails... I really can''t agree with the argument "configure your MUA" as long as HTML doesn''t add "value" to the message: no offence intended but please, configure yours :) HAND, ngw -- checking for life_signs in -lKenny... no Oh my god, make (1) killed Kenny ! You, bastards ! nicholas_wieland-at-yahoo-dot-it
On Saturday, May 14, 2005, 1:04:48 AM, Barry wrote:> I appreciate top posting. GMail automatically collapeses quoted text at > the bottom of a message. I see many GMail users here. For > my money (free) it''s the best way to use newsgroups.GMail collapses quoted text wherever it is, so it''s agnostic on top/bottom posting. Gavin
Hey, do you think we could donate some of the bandwidth we save towards curing cancer? Maybe an HIV vacine? I hear lots of people die from malaria around the world, what about that? That would be a right spiffy use of our newly rationed bandwidth. I''d say, in the grand scheme of things, saving bandwidth on the rails list is a _very_ low priority. :-) Zed On Fri, 2005-05-13 at 11:52 +0200, Nicolas Cavigneaux wrote:> Hello there ! > > I''m wondering why so many people don''t respect posting rules on this > mailing-list. A lot of subscribers top-post when then reply and don''t > delete useless quotations. It''s very annoying and moreover it wastes > bandwidth for nothing. > > So I think that everybody should respect the base rules of posting on > mailing-lists (or newsgroups or forums). When you reply a message, give > your answer *after* the relevant part of the former message. If you > don''t reply or discuss about a part of the former message, just delete > it, we don''t care about anymore. > > Other thing, quotations should begin with some special character (like > ''>'' for example) but not with a white space. > > Last but not least, why do you post using HTML when the message doesn''t > need it ? Use plain-text, don''t waste bandwidth and don''t deprive users > who have a plain-text-only mail-reader to read you. > > Hope that I''ll not annoy you with that but I think it would be better > for everybody to post that way. > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
On Fri, 13 May 2005, Barry Walker wrote:> I don''t care how many users have GMail. I have it, I like reading top > posted posts. That''s all I''m saying.That''s the spirit! Realize, as a matter of fact, top-posting is considerably less readable to many users. It didn''t used to exsit - not until some MUAs made it the default. Seems the younger generations like it, if for no other reason, because they don''t know any better. My theory is that, just like coding - you should take pride in everything you do. Instead of churning out unreadable crap; put out the best you can. Lucky for you - you get to choose.. on one hand you can be a careless and inconsiderate member of this community; or, on the other, you can strive to be the best possible. Either way, it doesn''t bother me much - top-posters are killfile material because, not surprisingly, I''ve found they usually are not the people "in the know" on a technical list such as this. Happy top-posting! --Steve
Hey, folks, I think vi sucks and Emacs rules! What do you all think? Regards, Phillip
I think my off-topic post (at the top *and* bottom of this mail) is 10 times more productive than yours. Trevor On 13-May-05, at 9:33 PM, Phillip Birmingham wrote:> Hey, folks, I think vi sucks and Emacs rules! What do you all think? > > Regards, > Phillip > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >I think my off-topic post (at the top *and* bottom of this mail) is 10 times more productive than yours. (ha! take that.)
Nicolas Cavigneaux
2005-May-14 10:05 UTC
Re: [Way OT] : Nobody cares about posting rules ?
Le vendredi 13 mai 2005 à 21:14 -0400, Zed A. Shaw a écrit :> Hey, do you think we could donate some of the bandwidth we save towards > curing cancer? Maybe an HIV vacine? I hear lots of people die from > malaria around the world, what about that? That would be a right spiffy > use of our newly rationed bandwidth. > > I''d say, in the grand scheme of things, saving bandwidth on the rails > list is a _very_ low priority.Think about those who subscribe lot of mailing-lists with a lot of traffic and who don''t have a very fast Internet connection. They''ll be happy to have less useless data to download. But I''m ok that it''s not as important as fighting cancer, HIV or any other disease. But if we think that way it''ll be anarchy in every domains that are not really important. -- Nicolas Cavigneaux | GPG KeyID : CFE76D24 nico-DRabjd/C3MEdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org | http://www.bounga.org _______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
Le vendredi 13 mai 2005 à 23:33 -0500, Phillip Birmingham a écrit :> Hey, folks, I think vi sucks and Emacs rules! What do you all think?Are you saying that I was trying to start a troll ? I don''t, I just want to warn people about the fact that their mails are not easily readable. It''s ways far from choosing your preferred text-editor. Just for fun, I use Vim (but Emacs is good too, I used to use it many years) ;-). -- Nicolas Cavigneaux | GPG KeyID : CFE76D24 nico-DRabjd/C3MEdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org | http://www.bounga.org _______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
On May 13, 2005, at 9:33 PM, Phillip Birmingham wrote:> Hey, folks, I think vi sucks and Emacs rules! What do you all think? > > Regards, > Phillip >Ha! I''m just waiting for the invocation of Godwin''s law to end this thread. - Jason
* Jason A. Hoffman [2005-05-14 14:47]:> I''m just waiting for the invocation of Godwin''s law to end this thread.Well these top-posting nazi''s don''t even know to not top-post so... oops. There it is! Done! -- ________________________________ toddgrimason*todd[ at ]slack.net
On May 14, 2005, at 3:10 PM, Todd Grimason wrote:> * Jason A. Hoffman [2005-05-14 14:47]: >> I''m just waiting for the invocation of Godwin''s law to end this >> thread. > > Well these top-posting nazi''s don''t even know to not top-post so... > oops. There it is! Done!That "oops" is unconvincing, making the invocation illegal [1]: Quirk''s exception: Intentional invocation of this so-called "Nazi Clause" is ineffectual. The thread must go on forever now.. Also notice that by NOT top posting, someone stumbling across this message in the HTML archives via search engine has the exact context for my message. [1] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin''s_law> Ryan Tomayko rtomayko-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org http://naeblis.cx/rtomayko/
* Ryan Tomayko [2005-05-14 15:22]:> On May 14, 2005, at 3:10 PM, Todd Grimason wrote: > >* Jason A. Hoffman [2005-05-14 14:47]: > >>I''m just waiting for the invocation of Godwin''s law to end this > >>thread. > > > >Well these top-posting nazi''s don''t even know to not top-post so... > >oops. There it is! Done! > > That "oops" is unconvincing, making the invocation illegal [1]: > > Quirk''s exception: > Intentional invocation of this so-called "Nazi Clause" is > ineffectual. > The thread must go on forever now..ARGH! Never read that exception. We''re doomed. It''s largely due to Gmail though, I''m seeing it on lots of lists and the poster is usually using a Gmail account. It''s a conspiracy to get everyone to use Gmail and Google Groups. I''m on to them! -- ________________________________ toddgrimason*todd[ at ]slack.net
* Nicolas Cavigneaux <nico-DRabjd/C3MEdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> [0506 11:06]:> > I''d say, in the grand scheme of things, saving bandwidth on the rails > > list is a _very_ low priority. > > Think about those who subscribe lot of mailing-lists with a lot of > traffic and who don''t have a very fast Internet connection. They''ll be > happy to have less useless data to download.Let''s have less threads like this too then. -- ''Yeah, life is hilariously cruel.'' -- Bender Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns _______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
Nicolas Cavigneaux
2005-May-14 21:26 UTC
Re: [Way OT] : Nobody cares about posting rules ?
Le samedi 14 mai 2005 à 21:56 +0100, Dick Davies a écrit :> * Nicolas Cavigneaux <nico-DRabjd/C3MEdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> [0506 11:06]: > > > > I''d say, in the grand scheme of things, saving bandwidth on the rails > > > list is a _very_ low priority. > > > > Think about those who subscribe lot of mailing-lists with a lot of > > traffic and who don''t have a very fast Internet connection. They''ll be > > happy to have less useless data to download. > > Let''s have less threads like this too then.I''ve nerver wanted to create a big thread it was just a request for a "better world" (at least to me). -- Nicolas Cavigneaux | GPG KeyID : CFE76D24 nico-DRabjd/C3MEdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org | http://www.bounga.org _______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
On 5/14/05, Todd Grimason <todd-cwT7Wi5Y1r1eoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> ARGH! Never read that exception. We''re doomed. It''s largely due to Gmail > though, I''m seeing it on lots of lists and the poster is usually using a > Gmail account. It''s a conspiracy to get everyone to use Gmail and Google > Groups. I''m on to them!Well, GMail does default to top posting, which bothers me, but it''s not the primary culprit... Outlook & Outlook Express were pioneers in the field of top-posting, they''ve been doing it for years before Google even existed as a company, and I wouldn''t be surprised if it was Microsoft that invented it. -- Urban Artography http://artography.ath.cx
On 5/13/05, Phillip Birmingham <pbirmingham-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Hey, folks, I think vi sucks and Emacs rules! What do you all think?Preach it, brother! ;) -- Urban Artography http://artography.ath.cx
Op 13-mei-2005, om 19:56 heeft Barry Walker het volgende geschreven:> I don''t care how many users have GMail.Does it matter? I also have GMail, but I POP it with Mail.app. -- Regards, Charles.
Kevin Williams wrote:> I was not aware of any mailing list and/or e-mail client maintaining > threaded conversations well enough to delete the content of prior > messages on a thread. I''ll clean up when a message is horribly long, > but otherwise relying on the email client to maintain a thread is much > more difficult. I agree it''s a waste of bandwidth, though.Huh? Look at the email headers. You will see Message-Id: , References: and In-Reply-To: . Take a wild guess what these are for?> Reply format is so e-mail client specific, I doubt there will ever be > a standard.What are you talking about? Context please. (One reason to format your message and not top-post)> HTML in e-mail is evil! Many e-mail clients default this way because > it''s "pretty". I complain about it all the time at work. I''ll get > e-mails asking "What do you think about this?" with no other text. I > finally realized that since I set my client to render in text format > only, I didn''t get the embedded screenshot. Stupid HTML mail users! ;) > > Finally, I write replies at the top because I hate scrolling, > scrolling, scrolling down to see that someone wrote "ditto".First you say that HTML is "evil" and then you essentially copy the entire message, with the footers and send it to the list again. If you want to "top post" at least have the courtesy of not including the email you are replying to. That''s what threading is for. Secondly, this shows how little respect (or foresight?) you have for other readers of email mailing lists. You don''t like to scroll when the message yet this is *exactly* what you force others to do to know what the heck you are talking about. I have no idea what meant by "reply format is so e-mail client specific" because there is no context to it. When you top post, you should, 1. put some context to your paragraphs which would be there if you didn''t top-post, and 2. DO NOT include the text of the email you are replying to. Personally, what really bugs be on mailing lists are, (in order) 1. replying to email when you want to create a new thread, 2. top-posting and including the email you are replying to, 3. top-posting, 4. HTML I can live with occasional HTML from clueless posters on regular, user mailing lists. But people calling themselves "developers" (I assume people using RoR can write code) should know better. #1 and #2 are just common sense! - Adam