R SIG Debian - Feb 2015 - R 3.1.2 for Debian jessie/testing available on CRAN

Thanks Johannes to clarify this point. It makes more sense to me now. So I 
understand that the idea is to make it simpler without apt-pinning for less 
adventurous people (I mean normal people :)): just add jessie-cran3 repo 
and you're good to go.

Am I also correct that jessie-cran3 is essentially a backport of Debian 
SID, with some (short?) delay? In other words, modulo a couple of days, 
R-related stuff should have the same version with both approaches? (while 
Debian Jessie is only updated from time to time, and will not be after 
Jessie is released)

Thanks again,
Mathieu.


Le 26/02/2015 09:56, Johannes Ranke a ?crit :
> Dear Mathieu, dear list,
>
> if you have successfully set up apt pinning for R packages, then you have
the
> most up-to date Debian packages for R at your fingertips.
>
> I set up the repository for Debian jessie so people do not have to use apt
> pinning in order to get Debian 3.1.2 on jessie. Plus, when jessie is
released,
> the repository is already there, and after the release of jessie it is
likely
> that at some point the binary sid packages will not be installable on
jessie.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Johannes
>
> Am Donnerstag, 26. Februar 2015, 08:55:20 schrieb Mathieu Basille:
>> Dear Johannes,
>>
>> Thanks a lot for this work! I have to admit that I'm now a little
bit
>> puzzled, though. I'm running Debian Jessie (current testing) with
great
>> satisfaction. When it comes to R, I simply have the SID repository
>> (official Debian) enabled, with some pining to get only R-related
stuff.
>>
>> Now, I'm not sure to understand the benefit of using the CRAN
repository
>> for Jessie?I feel like I'm missing the point. I understand that
these are
>> backports from Debian repositories, so I guess that jessie-cran3 is
>> probably synced with Debian-SID from time to time, right? (which means
it
>> is essentially the same, with maybe a slight additional delay)
>>
>> After a quick check of essential packages (in the Debian and R sense)
for
>> me, I found out that Debian-SID is always the best choice, providing
the
>> latest stable packages in all cases, while Debian-Jessie doesn't,
and
>> jessie-cran3 is somewhat in between. For example (the comparison works
for
>> version numbers):
>>
>> r-base: Debian-SID = jessie-cran3 > Debian-Jessie
>> survival: Debian-SID > jessie-cran3 = Debian-Jessie
>> Matrix: Debian-SID = jessie-cran3 > Debian-Jessie
>> MASS: Debian-SID > jessie-cran3 > Debian-Jessie
>>
>> So my question is: now that the Jessie repository in CRAN is up (thanks
>> again!), what would be the preferred way to handle R-related stuff on
>> Debian Jessie?
>>
>> Thanks for any clarification!
>> Mathieu.
>>
>> Le 01/02/2015 15:48, Johannes Ranke a ?crit :
>>>> The repository for jessie is in the works - but don't
expect it to be up
>>>> before next weekend.
>>>
>>> It's there now.
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> Johannes
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> R-SIG-Debian mailing list
>>> R-SIG-Debian at r-project.org
>>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-debian
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Yes, but beware that I only do backports of the packages listed in the Debian 
README on CRAN.

Kind regards,

Johannes

Am Donnerstag, 26. Februar 2015, 10:06:08 schrieb Mathieu
Basille:
> Thanks Johannes to clarify this point. It makes more sense to me now. So I
> understand that the idea is to make it simpler without apt-pinning for less
> adventurous people (I mean normal people :)): just add jessie-cran3 repo
> and you're good to go.
> 
> Am I also correct that jessie-cran3 is essentially a backport of Debian
> SID, with some (short?) delay? In other words, modulo a couple of days,
> R-related stuff should have the same version with both approaches? (while
> Debian Jessie is only updated from time to time, and will not be after
> Jessie is released)
> 
> Thanks again,
> Mathieu.
> 
> Le 26/02/2015 09:56, Johannes Ranke a ?crit :
> > Dear Mathieu, dear list,
> > 
> > if you have successfully set up apt pinning for R packages, then you
have
> > the most up-to date Debian packages for R at your fingertips.
> > 
> > I set up the repository for Debian jessie so people do not have to use
apt
> > pinning in order to get Debian 3.1.2 on jessie. Plus, when jessie is
> > released, the repository is already there, and after the release of
> > jessie it is likely that at some point the binary sid packages will
not
> > be installable on jessie.
> > 
> > Kind regards,
> > 
> > Johannes
> > 
> > Am Donnerstag, 26. Februar 2015, 08:55:20 schrieb Mathieu Basille:
> >> Dear Johannes,
> >> 
> >> Thanks a lot for this work! I have to admit that I'm now a
little bit
> >> puzzled, though. I'm running Debian Jessie (current testing)
with great
> >> satisfaction. When it comes to R, I simply have the SID repository
> >> (official Debian) enabled, with some pining to get only R-related
stuff.
> >> 
> >> Now, I'm not sure to understand the benefit of using the CRAN
repository
> >> for Jessie?I feel like I'm missing the point. I understand
that these are
> >> backports from Debian repositories, so I guess that jessie-cran3
is
> >> probably synced with Debian-SID from time to time, right? (which
means it
> >> is essentially the same, with maybe a slight additional delay)
> >> 
> >> After a quick check of essential packages (in the Debian and R
sense) for
> >> me, I found out that Debian-SID is always the best choice,
providing the
> >> latest stable packages in all cases, while Debian-Jessie
doesn't, and
> >> jessie-cran3 is somewhat in between. For example (the comparison
works
> >> for
> >> version numbers):
> >> 
> >> r-base: Debian-SID = jessie-cran3 > Debian-Jessie
> >> survival: Debian-SID > jessie-cran3 = Debian-Jessie
> >> Matrix: Debian-SID = jessie-cran3 > Debian-Jessie
> >> MASS: Debian-SID > jessie-cran3 > Debian-Jessie
> >> 
> >> So my question is: now that the Jessie repository in CRAN is up
(thanks
> >> again!), what would be the preferred way to handle R-related stuff
on
> >> Debian Jessie?
> >> 
> >> Thanks for any clarification!
> >> Mathieu.
> >> 
> >> Le 01/02/2015 15:48, Johannes Ranke a ?crit :
> >>>> The repository for jessie is in the works - but don't
expect it to be
> >>>> up
> >>>> before next weekend.
> >>> 
> >>> It's there now.
> >>> 
> >>> Kind regards
> >>> 
> >>> Johannes
> >>> 
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> R-SIG-Debian mailing list
> >>> R-SIG-Debian at r-project.org
> >>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-debian
-- 
PD Dr. Johannes Ranke
Kronacher Str. 8
79639 Grenzach-Wyhlen

Am Donnerstag, 26. Februar 2015, 16:07:40 schrieb Johannes
Ranke:
> Yes, but beware that I only do backports of the packages listed in the
> Debian README on CRAN.
and to be entirely clear, I only do fresh backports of r-base-* and other 
accessory packages upon a new R release.

Johannes
 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Johannes
> 
> Am Donnerstag, 26. Februar 2015, 10:06:08 schrieb Mathieu Basille:
> > Thanks Johannes to clarify this point. It makes more sense to me now.
So I
> > understand that the idea is to make it simpler without apt-pinning for
> > less
> > adventurous people (I mean normal people :)): just add jessie-cran3
repo
> > and you're good to go.
> > 
> > Am I also correct that jessie-cran3 is essentially a backport of
Debian
> > SID, with some (short?) delay? In other words, modulo a couple of
days,
> > R-related stuff should have the same version with both approaches?
(while
> > Debian Jessie is only updated from time to time, and will not be after
> > Jessie is released)
> > 
> > Thanks again,
> > Mathieu.
> > 
> > Le 26/02/2015 09:56, Johannes Ranke a ?crit :
> > > Dear Mathieu, dear list,
> > > 
> > > if you have successfully set up apt pinning for R packages, then
you
> > > have
> > > the most up-to date Debian packages for R at your fingertips.
> > > 
> > > I set up the repository for Debian jessie so people do not have
to use
> > > apt
> > > pinning in order to get Debian 3.1.2 on jessie. Plus, when jessie
is
> > > released, the repository is already there, and after the release
of
> > > jessie it is likely that at some point the binary sid packages
will not
> > > be installable on jessie.
> > > 
> > > Kind regards,
> > > 
> > > Johannes
> > > 
> > > Am Donnerstag, 26. Februar 2015, 08:55:20 schrieb Mathieu
Basille:
> > >> Dear Johannes,
> > >> 
> > >> Thanks a lot for this work! I have to admit that I'm now
a little bit
> > >> puzzled, though. I'm running Debian Jessie (current
testing) with great
> > >> satisfaction. When it comes to R, I simply have the SID
repository
> > >> (official Debian) enabled, with some pining to get only
R-related
> > >> stuff.
> > >> 
> > >> Now, I'm not sure to understand the benefit of using the
CRAN
> > >> repository
> > >> for Jessie?I feel like I'm missing the point. I
understand that these
> > >> are
> > >> backports from Debian repositories, so I guess that
jessie-cran3 is
> > >> probably synced with Debian-SID from time to time, right?
(which means
> > >> it
> > >> is essentially the same, with maybe a slight additional
delay)
> > >> 
> > >> After a quick check of essential packages (in the Debian and
R sense)
> > >> for
> > >> me, I found out that Debian-SID is always the best choice,
providing
> > >> the
> > >> latest stable packages in all cases, while Debian-Jessie
doesn't, and
> > >> jessie-cran3 is somewhat in between. For example (the
comparison works
> > >> for
> > >> version numbers):
> > >> 
> > >> r-base: Debian-SID = jessie-cran3 > Debian-Jessie
> > >> survival: Debian-SID > jessie-cran3 = Debian-Jessie
> > >> Matrix: Debian-SID = jessie-cran3 > Debian-Jessie
> > >> MASS: Debian-SID > jessie-cran3 > Debian-Jessie
> > >> 
> > >> So my question is: now that the Jessie repository in CRAN is
up (thanks
> > >> again!), what would be the preferred way to handle R-related
stuff on
> > >> Debian Jessie?
> > >> 
> > >> Thanks for any clarification!
> > >> Mathieu.
> > >> 
> > >> Le 01/02/2015 15:48, Johannes Ranke a ?crit :
> > >>>> The repository for jessie is in the works - but
don't expect it to be
> > >>>> up
> > >>>> before next weekend.
> > >>> 
> > >>> It's there now.
> > >>> 
> > >>> Kind regards
> > >>> 
> > >>> Johannes
> > >>> 
> > >>> _______________________________________________
> > >>> R-SIG-Debian mailing list
> > >>> R-SIG-Debian at r-project.org
> > >>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-debian
-- 
PD Dr. Johannes Ranke
Kronacher Str. 8
79639 Grenzach-Wyhlen