R SIG Debian - Feb 2015 - R 3.1.2 for Debian jessie/testing available on CRAN

Dear Johannes,

Thanks a lot for this work! I have to admit that I'm now a little bit 
puzzled, though. I'm running Debian Jessie (current testing) with great 
satisfaction. When it comes to R, I simply have the SID repository 
(official Debian) enabled, with some pining to get only R-related stuff.

Now, I'm not sure to understand the benefit of using the CRAN repository 
for Jessie?I feel like I'm missing the point. I understand that these are 
backports from Debian repositories, so I guess that jessie-cran3 is 
probably synced with Debian-SID from time to time, right? (which means it 
is essentially the same, with maybe a slight additional delay)

After a quick check of essential packages (in the Debian and R sense) for 
me, I found out that Debian-SID is always the best choice, providing the 
latest stable packages in all cases, while Debian-Jessie doesn't, and 
jessie-cran3 is somewhat in between. For example (the comparison works for 
version numbers):

r-base: Debian-SID = jessie-cran3 > Debian-Jessie
survival: Debian-SID > jessie-cran3 = Debian-Jessie
Matrix: Debian-SID = jessie-cran3 > Debian-Jessie
MASS: Debian-SID > jessie-cran3 > Debian-Jessie

So my question is: now that the Jessie repository in CRAN is up (thanks 
again!), what would be the preferred way to handle R-related stuff on 
Debian Jessie?

Thanks for any clarification!
Mathieu.


Le 01/02/2015 15:48, Johannes Ranke a ?crit :
>> The repository for jessie is in the works - but don't expect it to
be up
>> before next weekend.
>
> It's there now.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johannes
>
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Dear Mathieu, dear list,

if you have successfully set up apt pinning for R packages, then you have the 
most up-to date Debian packages for R at your fingertips.

I set up the repository for Debian jessie so people do not have to use apt 
pinning in order to get Debian 3.1.2 on jessie. Plus, when jessie is released, 
the repository is already there, and after the release of jessie it is likely 
that at some point the binary sid packages will not be installable on jessie.

Kind regards,

Johannes

Am Donnerstag, 26. Februar 2015, 08:55:20 schrieb Mathieu
Basille:
> Dear Johannes,
> 
> Thanks a lot for this work! I have to admit that I'm now a little bit
> puzzled, though. I'm running Debian Jessie (current testing) with great
> satisfaction. When it comes to R, I simply have the SID repository
> (official Debian) enabled, with some pining to get only R-related stuff.
> 
> Now, I'm not sure to understand the benefit of using the CRAN
repository
> for Jessie?I feel like I'm missing the point. I understand that these
are
> backports from Debian repositories, so I guess that jessie-cran3 is
> probably synced with Debian-SID from time to time, right? (which means it
> is essentially the same, with maybe a slight additional delay)
> 
> After a quick check of essential packages (in the Debian and R sense) for
> me, I found out that Debian-SID is always the best choice, providing the
> latest stable packages in all cases, while Debian-Jessie doesn't, and
> jessie-cran3 is somewhat in between. For example (the comparison works for
> version numbers):
> 
> r-base: Debian-SID = jessie-cran3 > Debian-Jessie
> survival: Debian-SID > jessie-cran3 = Debian-Jessie
> Matrix: Debian-SID = jessie-cran3 > Debian-Jessie
> MASS: Debian-SID > jessie-cran3 > Debian-Jessie
> 
> So my question is: now that the Jessie repository in CRAN is up (thanks
> again!), what would be the preferred way to handle R-related stuff on
> Debian Jessie?
> 
> Thanks for any clarification!
> Mathieu.
> 
> Le 01/02/2015 15:48, Johannes Ranke a ?crit :
> >> The repository for jessie is in the works - but don't expect
it to be up
> >> before next weekend.
> > 
> > It's there now.
> > 
> > Kind regards
> > 
> > Johannes
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > R-SIG-Debian mailing list
> > R-SIG-Debian at r-project.org
> > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-debian
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Thanks Johannes to clarify this point. It makes more sense to me now. So I 
understand that the idea is to make it simpler without apt-pinning for less 
adventurous people (I mean normal people :)): just add jessie-cran3 repo 
and you're good to go.

Am I also correct that jessie-cran3 is essentially a backport of Debian 
SID, with some (short?) delay? In other words, modulo a couple of days, 
R-related stuff should have the same version with both approaches? (while 
Debian Jessie is only updated from time to time, and will not be after 
Jessie is released)

Thanks again,
Mathieu.


Le 26/02/2015 09:56, Johannes Ranke a ?crit :
> Dear Mathieu, dear list,
>
> if you have successfully set up apt pinning for R packages, then you have
the
> most up-to date Debian packages for R at your fingertips.
>
> I set up the repository for Debian jessie so people do not have to use apt
> pinning in order to get Debian 3.1.2 on jessie. Plus, when jessie is
released,
> the repository is already there, and after the release of jessie it is
likely
> that at some point the binary sid packages will not be installable on
jessie.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Johannes
>
> Am Donnerstag, 26. Februar 2015, 08:55:20 schrieb Mathieu Basille:
>> Dear Johannes,
>>
>> Thanks a lot for this work! I have to admit that I'm now a little
bit
>> puzzled, though. I'm running Debian Jessie (current testing) with
great
>> satisfaction. When it comes to R, I simply have the SID repository
>> (official Debian) enabled, with some pining to get only R-related
stuff.
>>
>> Now, I'm not sure to understand the benefit of using the CRAN
repository
>> for Jessie?I feel like I'm missing the point. I understand that
these are
>> backports from Debian repositories, so I guess that jessie-cran3 is
>> probably synced with Debian-SID from time to time, right? (which means
it
>> is essentially the same, with maybe a slight additional delay)
>>
>> After a quick check of essential packages (in the Debian and R sense)
for
>> me, I found out that Debian-SID is always the best choice, providing
the
>> latest stable packages in all cases, while Debian-Jessie doesn't,
and
>> jessie-cran3 is somewhat in between. For example (the comparison works
for
>> version numbers):
>>
>> r-base: Debian-SID = jessie-cran3 > Debian-Jessie
>> survival: Debian-SID > jessie-cran3 = Debian-Jessie
>> Matrix: Debian-SID = jessie-cran3 > Debian-Jessie
>> MASS: Debian-SID > jessie-cran3 > Debian-Jessie
>>
>> So my question is: now that the Jessie repository in CRAN is up (thanks
>> again!), what would be the preferred way to handle R-related stuff on
>> Debian Jessie?
>>
>> Thanks for any clarification!
>> Mathieu.
>>
>> Le 01/02/2015 15:48, Johannes Ranke a ?crit :
>>>> The repository for jessie is in the works - but don't
expect it to be up
>>>> before next weekend.
>>>
>>> It's there now.
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> Johannes
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> R-SIG-Debian mailing list
>>> R-SIG-Debian at r-project.org
>>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-debian
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Mathieu Basille
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Fort Lauderdale Research and Education Center
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On 26 February 2015 at 08:55, Mathieu Basille wrote:
| Thanks a lot for this work! I have to admit that I'm now a little bit 
| puzzled, though. I'm running Debian Jessie (current testing) with great 
| satisfaction. When it comes to R, I simply have the SID repository 
| (official Debian) enabled, with some pining to get only R-related stuff.

Sure. Nobody prevents you from doing that. That "merely" is a more
general
but also more advanced option.

The CRAN backports for Ubuntu and Debian complement the offering by their
respective distros _in the same version_.

| So my question is: now that the Jessie repository in CRAN is up (thanks 
| again!), what would be the preferred way to handle R-related stuff on 
| Debian Jessie?

For normal users: Use this repo.  

For power users: Whatever. As always.

Dirk

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