R help - Aug 2013 - Outliers and overdispersion

Hi  again,  

I have a question on some outliers that I have in my response variable (wich are
bird counts). At the beginning I did not drop them
 out because they are part of the normal counts and I considered them
"ecologically" correct.

However, I 
tried some of the same models without ouliers and the AICs are thus better. I
 also have nice significances this way...


So would you say that, even though the outliers are right 
observations and taking into consideration that already the negative binomial 
distribution that I am using is accounting for the some of the overdispersion
due to the outliers, it is
 better to drop them out as the models fit better this way? 


Thanks for your patience!

:)





 		 	   		  
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I do not know what you are exactly estimating, but if it is about count models
and the model fit gets better when you drop the outliers, it does not say, that
the model is now more correct. It just says, if the data were without the
outliers, this model would fit good.

Overdispersion in count data is sometimes a cue, that you have a mixture
distribution as the generating process - for example instead of one, K different
(sub)species of birds which were aggregated in the count data. In this case a
mixture (negative binomial)- distribution with K components could fit the data
better.


Best

Simon
 
On Aug 13, 2013, at 5:28 PM, Marta Lomas <lomasvega at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hi  again,  
> 
> I have a question on some outliers that I have in my response variable
(wich are bird counts). At the beginning I did not drop them
> out because they are part of the normal counts and I considered them
"ecologically" correct.
> 
> However, I 
> tried some of the same models without ouliers and the AICs are thus better.
I
> also have nice significances this way...
> 
> 
> So would you say that, even though the outliers are right 
> observations and taking into consideration that already the negative
binomial
> distribution that I am using is accounting for the some of the
overdispersion due to the outliers, it is
> better to drop them out as the models fit better this way? 
> 
> 
> Thanks for your patience!
> 
> :)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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