Thank you.
On 28/11/2009, at 14:04, Peter Dalgaard <p.dalgaard at biostat.ku.dk>
wrote:
> Or Duek wrote:
>> I'm sorry, I don't know how to copy it to the list.
>> as for the output and functions I've used:
>
> Use the Cc:! I am NOT answering list questions in private mails.
>
> -p
>
>> dm<-aov(value~(exposure*Treatment*Strain)+Error(subject/exposure) +
>> (Strain*Treatment), mdata)
>> (* exposure=distance)
>> then I do : summary(dm)
>> Thank you very much for your patient.
>> On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 12:33 AM, Peter Dalgaard <p.dalgaard at
biostat.ku.dk
>> <mailto:p.dalgaard at biostat.ku.dk>> wrote:
>> Did you copy this to the list? Otherwise, please do. Again, please
>> show the output and model spec.
>> Or Duek wrote:
>> I am sorry for my ignorance.
>> I finally understood what I didi wrong - I used a numerical
>> variable as the sibject variable, adding a factor subject
>> variable fixed the issue.
>> one the same analysis, how can I check for simple main effect?
>> here is my data:
>> subject Treatment Strain distance value
>> 1 sub1 DFP C57 Distance_open_1 311.29
>> 2 sub2 Saline C57 Distance_open_1 891.28
>> 3 sub3 Saline C57 Distance_open_1 1162.02
>> 4 sub4 DFP C57 Distance_open_1 366.04
>> 5 sub5 Saline C57 Distance_open_1 1090.44
>> 6 sub6 DFP C57 Distance_open_1 857.20
>> 7 sub7 DFP C57 Distance_open_1 711.79
>> 8 sub8 Saline C57 Distance_open_1 776.84
>> 9 sub9 Saline C57 Distance_open_1 599.84
>> 10 sub10 DFP Balb/C Distance_open_1 97.19
>> 11 sub11 Saline Balb/C Distance_open_1 1000.22
>> 12 sub12 DFP Balb/C Distance_open_1 84.52
>> 13 sub13 Saline Balb/C Distance_open_1 476.70
>> 14 sub14 DFP Balb/C Distance_open_1 470.26
>> 15 sub15 Saline Balb/C Distance_open_1 31.39
>> 16 sub16 DFP Balb/C Distance_open_1 94.97
>> 17 sub17 Saline Balb/C Distance_open_1 477.18
>> 18 sub18 DFP Balb/C Distance_open_1 255.26
>> 19 sub19 Saline Balb/C Distance_open_1 0.00
>> 20 sub20 DFP Balb/C Distance_open_1 518.30
>> 21 sub21 Saline Balb/C Distance_open_1 126.23
>> 22 sub22 DFP Balb/C Distance_open_1 851.33
>> 23 sub23 Saline Balb/C Distance_open_1 99.57
>> 24 sub24 DFP Balb/C Distance_open_1 680.06
>> 25 sub25 DFP Balb/C Distance_open_1 777.27
>> 26 sub26 Saline Balb/C Distance_open_1 480.76
>> 27 sub27 DFP C57 Distance_open_1 1253.18
>> 28 sub28 DFP C57 Distance_open_1 1594.03
>> 29 sub29 Saline C57 Distance_open_1 987.58
>> 30 sub30 DFP C57 Distance_open_1 453.49
>> 31 sub31 Saline C57 Distance_open_1 918.19
>> 32 sub32 DFP C57 Distance_open_1 693.64
>> 33 sub33 Saline C57 Distance_open_1 767.83
>> 34 sub34 DFP C57 Distance_open_1 63.57
>> 35 sub35 Saline C57 Distance_open_1 785.34
>> 36 sub36 Saline C57 Distance_open_1 1243.88
>> 37 sub1 DFP C57 Distance_open_2 122.24
>> 38 sub2 Saline C57 Distance_open_2 759.94
>> 39 sub3 Saline C57 Distance_open_2 937.23
>> 40 sub4 DFP C57 Distance_open_2 669.66
>> 41 sub5 Saline C57 Distance_open_2 515.78
>> 42 sub6 DFP C57 Distance_open_2 333.22
>> 43 sub7 DFP C57 Distance_open_2 403.76
>> 44 sub8 Saline C57 Distance_open_2 393.75
>> 45 sub9 Saline C57 Distance_open_2 428.75
>> 46 sub10 DFP Balb/C Distance_open_2 0.00
>> 47 sub11 Saline Balb/C Distance_open_2 520.48
>> 48 sub12 DFP Balb/C Distance_open_2 0.00
>> 49 sub13 Saline Balb/C Distance_open_2 444.85
>> 50 sub14 DFP Balb/C Distance_open_2 14.10
>> 51 sub15 Saline Balb/C Distance_open_2 6.49
>> 52 sub16 DFP Balb/C Distance_open_2 0.00
>> 53 sub17 Saline Balb/C Distance_open_2 242.39
>> 54 sub18 DFP Balb/C Distance_open_2 454.05
>> 55 sub19 Saline Balb/C Distance_open_2 0.00
>> 56 sub20 DFP Balb/C Distance_open_2 524.07
>> 57 sub21 Saline Balb/C Distance_open_2 24.33
>> 58 sub22 DFP Balb/C Distance_open_2 807.50
>> 59 sub23 Saline Balb/C Distance_open_2 59.99
>> 60 sub24 DFP Balb/C Distance_open_2 584.57
>> 61 sub25 DFP Balb/C Distance_open_2 868.57
>> 62 sub26 Saline Balb/C Distance_open_2 646.53
>> 63 sub27 DFP C57 Distance_open_2 1144.82
>> 64 sub28 DFP C57 Distance_open_2 869.61
>> 65 sub29 Saline C57 Distance_open_2 626.32
>> 66 sub30 DFP C57 Distance_open_2 203.48
>> 67 sub31 Saline C57 Distance_open_2 957.98
>> 68 sub32 DFP C57 Distance_open_2 382.35
>> 69 sub33 Saline C57 Distance_open_2 522.27
>> 70 sub34 DFP C57 Distance_open_2 16.61
>> 71 sub35 Saline C57 Distance_open_2 555.44
>> 72 sub36 Saline C57 Distance_open_2 1197.95
>> thank you very much for your help.
>> On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 10:26 PM, Peter Dalgaard
>> <p.dalgaard at biostat.ku.dk <mailto:p.dalgaard at
biostat.ku.dk>
>> <mailto:p.dalgaard at biostat.ku.dk
>> <mailto:p.dalgaard at biostat.ku.dk>>> wrote:
>> Or Duek wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I just started with R and I found that there are many
>> options to
>> rearrange
>> the data to do mixed models.
>> I want to use the reshape function. I have 2 between
>> subject
>> variables and
>> one within.
>> I was able to change the data structure but still - the
>> result
>> of the aov
>> functions are calculating everything as a within
>> subject.
>> the table looks like this:
>> SerialNo breed treatment distance_1
>> distance_2
>> 1 c57 dfp 235
3253
>> etc.
>> I changed it to look like this:
>> SerialNo breed treatment exposure distance
>> 1 c57 dfp
>> 1 235
>> 1 c57 dfp
>> 2 3253
>> etc.
>> Then I do:
>> dt<-aov(distance~(exposure*treatment*breed)
>> +Error(SerialNo/exposure)
>> +
>> (treatment*breed), dataframe)
>> what am I doing wrong?
>> For a start, not showing us the output.... Also not
>> showing us
>> enough of the data and not convincing us that you are
>> actually using
>> the reshaped data frame.
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