Hello, I have a balanced factorial crossed design with 2 random factors; boars and farms, the response are number of piglets (2 replicates). In Minitab I analyze the experiment with ANOVA->GLM where both factors and the interaction are included. In addition I get the expexded mean squares and the variance components printed out (For Minitab output see bellow). I have not yet figured out how to get the same results from R. I have tried both aov and lme, but I can figure out how to reproduce the result output from Minitab in a right manner. All help are appreciated. The data is: #Data for R Boar<-factor(c(rep(1,10),rep(2,10),rep(3,10),rep(4,10),rep(5,10),rep(6,10))) Farm<-factor(c(rep(seq(1,5,1),12))) Replicates<-factor(rep(c(rep(1,5),rep(2,5)),6)) Piglets<-c(8,8,6,8,7,7,6,6,8,9,8,7,7,9,9,8,8,9,8,8,8,8,9,9,11,9, 9,9,9,9,8,9,10,11,11,9,8,10,11,10,9,8,9,12,13,8,9,10,10,13,9,10,12,13,12,8,9,11,12,12) The minitab output: General Linear Model: Piglets versus Boar; Farm Factor Type Levels Values Boar random 6 1; 2; 3; 4; 5; 6 Farm random 5 1; 2; 3; 4; 5 Analysis of Variance for Piglets, using Adjusted SS for Tests Source DF Seq SS Adj SS Adj MS F P Boar 5 84.7333 84.7333 16.9467 11.92 0.000 Farm 4 45.1667 45.1667 11.2917 7.94 0.001 Boar*Farm 20 28.4333 28.4333 1.4217 2.37 0.016 Error 30 18.0000 18.0000 0.6000 Total 59 176.3333 S = 0.774597 R-Sq = 89.79% R-Sq(adj) = 79.92% Expected Mean Squares, using Adjusted SS Source Expected Mean Square for Each Term 1 Boar (4) + 2.0000 (3) + 10.0000 (1) 2 Farm (4) + 2.0000 (3) + 12.0000 (2) 3 Boar*Farm (4) + 2.0000 (3) 4 Error (4) Error Terms for Tests, using Adjusted SS Synthesis Source Error DF Error MS of Error MS 1 Boar 20.00 1.4217 (3) 2 Farm 20.00 1.4217 (3) 3 Boar*Farm 30.00 0.6000 (4) Variance Components, using Adjusted SS Estimated Source Value Boar 1.5525 Farm 0.8225 Boar*Farm 0.4108 Error 0.6000 Thanks Hans Ole Oerka