Hi, Is there a way to provide starting values for the fixed effects in lmer()? I'd like to fit the following model, which requires starting values in the glm.fit() part of the code: lmer(dbh.sum ~ Treatment + (1|Site), nets, gaussian("log"), subset=Treatment!="sforest" & iocTreat!="forest") I tried tinkering with the code but I couldn't figure out the namespace problems I ran into. I also saw an earlier R-help post with a reply mentioning a possible lmer-initialize function that I couldn't find. I can fit the model without the random effect using glm: Call: glm(formula = dbh.sum ~ Treatment, family = gaussian("log"), data = nets, subset = Treatment != "sforest" & iocTreat ! "forest", start = c(5, 5, 5)) Deviance Residuals: Min 1Q Median 3Q Max -270.55 -72.32 -36.25 40.92 793.02 Coefficients: Estimate Std. Error t value Pr(>|t|) (Intercept) 5.87873 0.04536 129.603 < 2e-16 *** Treatmentioc -1.82540 0.40063 -4.556 9.83e-06 *** Treatmentshade -0.88166 0.11856 -7.436 4.69e-12 *** --- Signif. codes: 0 '***' 0.001 '**' 0.01 '*' 0.05 '.' 0.1 ' ' 1 (Dispersion parameter for gaussian family taken to be 18392.07) Null deviance: 5763318 on 174 degrees of freedom Residual deviance: 3163431 on 172 degrees of freedom AIC: 2220.0 Number of Fisher Scoring iterations: 10 Also, are there plans to create a predict function for lmer? Thanks. Richard -- Richard Chandler, PhD student Department of Natural Resources Conservation UMass Amherst (413)545-1237