Dear R-list, I have a data set from 20 pigs, each of which is tested at crossed 9 doses (logdose -4:4) and 3 skin treatment substances when exposed to a standard polluted environment. So there are 27 patches on each pig. The response is irritation=yes/no. I want to determine "equally effective 50% doses" (similar to old LD50), and to test the treatments against each other. I am looking for something like dose.p in MASS generalized to lmer (or glmmPQL or whatever). The direct as output by lmer are not useful, because saying "30% irritation with A and 40% with B at dose xx" has less meaning than giving "equivalent effective doses". Dieter ----- Simulated data ----- library(lme4) animal = data.frame(ID = as.factor(1:20), da = rnorm(1:20)) treat = data.frame(treat=c('A','B','C'), treatoff=c(1,2,1.5), treatslope = c(0.5,0.6,0.7)) gr = expand.grid(animal=animal$ID,treat=treat$treat,logdose=c(-4:4)) gr$resp = as.integer(treat$treatoff[gr$treat]+ treat$treatslope[gr$treat]*gr$logdose+ animal$da[gr$animal] + rnorm(nrow(gr),0,2) >0) gr.lmer = lmer(resp ~ treat*logdose+(1|animal),data=gr,family=binomial) summary(gr.lmer) ------- Output Fixed effects: Estimate Std. Error z value Pr(>|z|) (Intercept) 0.9553 0.3074 3.11 0.0019 ** treatB 0.8793 0.3313 2.65 0.0079 ** treatC 0.5516 0.3077 1.79 0.0730 . logdose 0.3733 0.0774 4.82 1.4e-06 *** treatB:logdose 0.3081 0.1323 2.33 0.0198 * treatC:logdose 0.2666 0.1249 2.13 0.0328 * ----- Goal Value SD p 50% logdose (A-B) xx xx xx 50% logdose (A-C) yy yy yy