Hi,. We have 2 values (first formant F1, second formant F2) for a given phoneme for six languages. We want to see whether the languages are significantly different one from another for this given phoneme. We have done a manova on our data and it works well, but we doesn't allow us to see which pair of languages are different. If we have only one formant for the phoneme, we would use simtest to see the pairs significantly different... but the simtest doesn't work for 2 responses, so we look for a multivariate simtest. Thanks for your advice! So our data: #read the data file >tous_y <- read.table("moyenne.txt", header=TRUE, sep="\t", na.strings="NA", dec=".", strip.white=TRUE) >lg<-as.factor(c(rep("anglais",6),rep("allemand",6),rep("arabe",6),rep("espagnol",6), rep("italien",6), rep("portugais",6), rep("francais",6))) >tousy<-data.frame(tous_y,lg) #simtest for only one response >summary(simtest(F1_nearey~lg, type="Tukey", data=tousy)) Absolute Error Tolerance: 0.001 Coefficients: Estimate t value Std.Err. p raw p Bonf p adj lgitalien-lgfrancais -0.074 -1.898 0.039 0.066 1 0.495 lgitalien-lganglais -0.064 -1.630 0.039 0.112 1 0.658 lgitalien-lgarabe -0.055 -1.413 0.039 0.167 1 0.780 lgitalien-lgespagnol -0.046 -1.166 0.039 0.252 1 0.891 lgportugais-lgfrancais -0.039 -1.004 0.039 0.322 1 0.938 lgitalien-lgallemand -0.037 -0.957 0.039 0.345 1 0.948 lgfrancais-lgallemand 0.037 -0.940 0.039 0.353 1 0.948 lgportugais-lgitalien 0.035 -0.894 0.039 0.378 1 0.955 lgportugais-lganglais -0.029 -0.736 0.039 0.467 1 0.973 lgfrancais-lgespagnol 0.029 -0.732 0.039 0.469 1 0.973 lganglais-lgallemand 0.026 -0.672 0.039 0.506 1 0.978 lgportugais-lgarabe -0.020 -0.519 0.039 0.607 1 0.992 lgfrancais-lgarabe 0.019 -0.485 0.039 0.631 1 0.994 lgespagnol-lganglais -0.018 -0.464 0.039 0.646 1 0.994 lgarabe-lgallemand 0.018 -0.455 0.039 0.652 1 0.994 lgportugais-lgespagnol -0.011 -0.272 0.039 0.787 1 0.999 lgfrancais-lganglais 0.011 -0.268 0.039 0.790 1 0.999 lgespagnol-lgarabe -0.010 -0.247 0.039 0.807 1 0.999 lgarabe-lganglais -0.008 -0.217 0.039 0.829 1 0.999 lgespagnol-lgallemand 0.008 -0.208 0.039 0.836 1 0.999 lgportugais-lgallemand -0.002 -0.064 0.039 0.949 1 0.999 #manova for the two responses > fit <- manova(cbind(F1_nearey,F2_nearey)~lg) > summary.manova(fit,test = "Pillai") -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: moyenne.txt Url: https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-help/attachments/20060216/188ed281/moyenne.txt