Is there a function to convert from plot coordinates to device coordinates? It should be easy enough to work out from various par() parameters - namely usr, plt, and fig. 'usr' tells us where an (x,y) point is in the plot, then 'plt' tells us where it is in the figure, then 'fig' tells us where it is in the ((0,1),(0,1)) device space. Then there's the slight complication of log axes in the plot space, which makes me wonder if this exists somewhere in R already, rather than me writing a buggy version. I dont expect a version for lattice graphics, just base graphics! Barry Rowlingson Maths and Stats Lancaster University Lancaster, UK