Simon Wotherspoon suggests:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Simon Wotherspoon [mailto:Simon.Wotherspoon at utas.edu.au]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:08 AM
> To: r-help at stat.math.ethz.ch
> Subject: [R] Orders of terms in formulae
>
> Hi,
>
> Given that R reports Type I sums of squares, isn't it a bit
anachronistic
> that it re-orders terms in formulae?
[WNV] R does not purport to report Type I anything. The anova and
summary.aov functions, by default, report sequential analyses of variance
tables with factor terms ordered by their degree.
> > d <- expand.grid(y=rnorm(8),
> + A=factor(c(1,2)),
> + B=factor(c(1,2)),
> + C=factor(c(1,2)))
> > summary(aov(y ~ A+B+A:B+C,data=d))
> Df Sum Sq Mean Sq F value Pr(>F)
> A 1 8.294e-34 8.294e-34 1.027e-33 1
> B 1 3.961e-33 3.961e-33 4.904e-33 1
> C 1 3.980e-34 3.980e-34 4.927e-34 1
> A:B 1 1.294e-32 1.294e-32 1.601e-32 1
> Residuals 59 47.658 0.808
[WNV] You can change the default, of course.
> d <- expand.grid(A = factor(1:2),
B = factor(1:2), C = factor(1:2))
> d$y <- rnorm(8)
> fm <- aov(terms(y ~ A*B + C, keep.order=T), d)
> summary(fm)
Df Sum Sq Mean Sq F value Pr(>F)
A 1 2.70009 2.70009 5.9045 0.09334
B 1 2.34018 2.34018 5.1175 0.10871
A:B 1 0.46492 0.46492 1.0167 0.38758
C 1 2.33694 2.33694 5.1104 0.10886
Residuals 3 1.37187 0.45729
> anova(fm)
Analysis of Variance Table
Response: y
Df Sum Sq Mean Sq F value Pr(>F)
A 1 2.70009 2.70009 5.9045 0.09334
B 1 2.34018 2.34018 5.1175 0.10871
A:B 1 0.46492 0.46492 1.0167 0.38758
C 1 2.33694 2.33694 5.1104 0.10886
Residuals 3 1.37187 0.45729
>
[WNV] I realise this dodge is a little arcane, but it is
important.>
> Or have I missed the point?
[WNV] I think you have missed the point a bit. If you did fit a
model of the kind
aov(y ~ A*B*C + C*D*E, dat)
and you wanted the main effects to be included first in the model
and then the interactions ordered by degree, (as would be usual), how would
you ensure that happening (without tediously spelling it all out) if your
convention were in force?
This convention extends far beyond R and S-PLUS, by the way. It
probably started with Genstat back in the middle ages.
The FAQ, by the way, has something to say abou these kinds of
issues, but not this one precisely (7.20 comes close). Perhaps this should
find its way into that august document.
> Simon.
> ---
>
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