David Brahm's initial post seems to me to be filled with a mixture of bugs, wants, and needs coupled with a desire to "make" R become S-Plus. David, if S-Plus works for you, why are you bothering to convert all your code to R? No one has ever asserted that R==S (or S-Plus), and there is no reason to expect this equality to hold, ever. R is open source. If you want to change something, you are free to change it and you are free to contribute your changes to the community. If you want to find and fix a bug, I'm sure the r-development team would welcome your assistance. (BTW, it has never been difficult for me to figure out how or where to report problems and concerns. Indeed it isn't in the FAQs - and maybe it should - but anyone with a reasonable amount of inquisitiveness could figure it out.) Yelling at the developers is a no win strategy. They're not obliged to do anything, including fixing bugs. They do it voluntarily and most of us genuinely appreciate the incredibly hard work they do. I'm not an R-developer -- just a very grateful consumer -- but my standard response to ungrateful people is to do less for them, not more. Peter's response may have seemed "unfair", but it was needed IMHO. My 2 cents. ====================Dr. Marc R. Feldesman Professor and Chairman Anthropology Department Portland State University 1721 SW Broadway Portland, Oregon 97201 email: feldesmanm at pdx.edu phone: 503-725-3081 fax: 503-725-3905 http://web.pdx.edu/~h1mf PGP Key Available On Request ===================== "Anyway, no drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society. If we're looking for the source of our troubles, we shouldn't test people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance, greed and love of power." P.J. O'Rourke Powered by Optiplochoerus and Windows 2000 (scary isn't it?) -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.- r-help mailing list -- Read http://www.ci.tuwien.ac.at/~hornik/R/R-FAQ.html Send "info", "help", or "[un]subscribe" (in the "body", not the subject !) To: r-help-request at stat.math.ethz.ch _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._
>>>>> "MF" == Marc Feldesman <feldesmanm at pdx.edu> writes:MF> David Brahm's initial post seems to me to be filled with a MF> mixture of bugs, wants, and needs coupled with a desire to MF> "make" R become S-Plus. David, if S-Plus works for you, why MF> are you bothering to convert all your code to R? No one has MF> ever asserted that R==S (or S-Plus), and there is no reason to MF> expect this equality to hold, ever. I think I'd disagree. David's post was fine. It was a nice detailed explanation of his user experiences, something nearly every open source development team wants. In other contexts/projects, I've really appreciated his reports and some of his provided solutions. The only major problem I can see is that he sent it to R-bugs, creating a minor (major?) workload problem for Peter which shouldn't have happened. Something broke down in the development process. Let's get it fixed. Civility is important from EVERYBODY. Relax. As Thomas' subject said, take a deep breath and count to 10. However, this isn't the first time we've seen comments about "open source, volunteers, blah, blah" bandied around at people who have demonstrated willingness to help OSS projects in the past, or worse, who have run OSS projects in the past (not in this case, but I do recall a snide remark from someone who should've known better about OSS volunteer projects, directed towards the developer of the slick (GPL'd) Emacs SAS mode predating ESS (which we later incorporated)). best, -tony -- A.J. Rossini Rsrch. Asst. Prof. of Biostatistics U. of Washington Biostatistics rossini at u.washington.edu FHCRC/SCHARP/HIV Vaccine Trials Net rossini at scharp.org -------- (wednesday/friday is unknown) -------- FHCRC: M-Tu : 206-667-7025 (fax=4812)|Voicemail is pretty sketchy/use Email UW: Th : 206-543-1044 (fax=3286)|Change last 4 digits of phone to FAX -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.- r-help mailing list -- Read http://www.ci.tuwien.ac.at/~hornik/R/R-FAQ.html Send "info", "help", or "[un]subscribe" (in the "body", not the subject !) To: r-help-request at stat.math.ethz.ch _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._