R help - Feb 2001 - starting values for uniquenesses in factanal()

Dear R-help,

Using R 1.2.1 on Windows98 to run a factor analysis on a 64x150 matrix of
data generated from a simulation model, factanal() reported that it failed
to find a solution.  Looking at the factanal code, I see the immediate
condition that triggered the result:

if (best == Inf)
        stop("Unable to optimize from these starting value(s)")

So I am sure factanal() is giving the intended result.  What I want to know
is what sort of data properties lead to this result, and how does one go
about choosing starting uniqueness values so that a (good) result can be
computed?  The factanal() help, in describing parameter "start", says
it is:

NULL or a matrix of starting values, each column giving an initial set of
uniquenesses.

But (due to my own ignorance) this is a little sketchy.  Any references or
advice is appreciated.

I realize this is not strictly an R-question ... so far.  But because I did
not encounter the same problem using Minitab's factor analysis, I am curious
as to the reason for the different behaviour (and this is an R question).
Maybe the response I got from R's factanal() is actually more appropriate?
Is this another case of commercial software giving me an answer I want, even
if it's not a good one?  (I would prefer to use only R for the paper I am
writing.)  Any comments appreciated.  To spare bandwidth I don't post the
data here, but I can send it privately.

Barry J. Cooke
University of Alberta
Edmonton, AB, Canada
http://www.ualberta.ca/~bcooke

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On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, Barry Cooke wrote:
> Dear R-help,
>
> Using R 1.2.1 on Windows98 to run a factor analysis on a 64x150 matrix of
> data generated from a simulation model, factanal() reported that it failed
(I hope that's a typo.  You have 64 observations on 150 variables?
Then you have a singular sample correlation matrix. Factor analysis cannot
be appropriate, since a Heywood case is needed to get a singular matrix.)
> to find a solution.  Looking at the factanal code, I see the immediate
> condition that triggered the result:
>
> if (best == Inf)
>         stop("Unable to optimize from these starting value(s)")
>
> So I am sure factanal() is giving the intended result.  What I want to know
> is what sort of data properties lead to this result, and how does one go
> about choosing starting uniqueness values so that a (good) result can be
> computed?  The factanal() help, in describing parameter "start",
says it is:
>
> NULL or a matrix of starting values, each column giving an initial set of
> uniquenesses.
>
> But (due to my own ignorance) this is a little sketchy.  Any references or
> advice is appreciated.
> I realize this is not strictly an R-question ... so far.  But because I did
> not encounter the same problem using Minitab's factor analysis,
Use Minitab's uniquenesses as the starting values: just give them as a
vector as the start argument.
> I am curious
> as to the reason for the different behaviour (and this is an R question).
> Maybe the response I got from R's factanal() is actually more
appropriate?
> Is this another case of commercial software giving me an answer I want,
even
> if it's not a good one?  (I would prefer to use only R for the paper I
am
> writing.)  Any comments appreciated.  To spare bandwidth I don't post
the
> data here, but I can send it privately.
I don't know about Minitab, but I do know that most commercial statistical
packages will happily quote non-optimal answers, and indeed have default
methods that are statistically suspect.

If your first para is correct, this is a case in point.

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