I think many people share your view and are aghast at the reception that some well-intentioned posts receive. There have been past discussions on this and many people feel the way you and I do. Just to head off another round, let me acknowledge that there appears to be multiple viewpoints and although hard to believe by myself, there actually is a contingent that views what I see as insulting responses as appropriate. --- From: ivo welch <ivo.welch@yale.edu> ladies and gents: I have posted a couple of simple questions recently. As often happens to novices, the information was there somewhere, even in front of my eyes, and I just did not see it. I looked in docs that seemed to me to be the right place for this particular information, but did not find it. There is no question: mea culpa, and everything is documented somewhere in R. (Worst comes to worst, it is documented in the source.) But here comes my complaint: I tried to help by documenting where I got lost, and by suggesting simple one-liners for the documentation, which would provide additional cross-references to what I was looking for. The cost of adding additional brief sentences to the help must be relatively small, and the help to stuck novices may be considerable in reducing the learning curve. For my specific examples, I suggested a reference to q() in ?exit, and a "select= -c(v1,v2)" to ?subset. Clearly, the information is redundant. (Of course, in a sense, all documentation is redundant.) The goal of good documentation should be to help novice users who do not know the answer. The goal should not be minimum redundancy in the help files. Being fairly new to R, I see difficulties where Brian Ripley and other experts and developers no longer do. I bet that if I wonder about the answers, I am more than likely not alone. In fact, I think it would really make sense to improve the docs by studying where novices get stuck. I was told by Brian to stop sending such suggestions, in order not to clutter the R bug report list. OK, I can save my time; I just wanted to help. But, for others' sake, please reconsider the policy of not gearing the internal R documentation for novices like myself. I will butt out here. regards, /ivo PS: Incidentally, the R help seems a little schizophrenic. For example, Brian Ripley is the most helpful source for learning R (both books and posts), and I am rather grateful for it. I just do not understand why, at the same time, he seems to be annoyed while fielding questions of the r-help post-list. He is not the only individual who likes to help, but grudgingly so...