ogg dev - Nov 2005 - Ambisonics und OggPCM

This is getting very dangerous. We cannot take our flamewar to outside mailing
lists without making a complete fool of ourselves. Arc, would you please refrain
from doing so in future and rather come to an internal agreement beforehand?

Arc, there are a few things you have missed:

The discussion on OggPCM2 was friendly and constructive and there were no flame
wars and the spec got much further than OggPCM.

There were many more people involved in the discussion on OggPCM2 than on OggPCM
and thus Erik jumped to the conclusion that it has superceded OggPCM.

OggPCM2 is covering a broader field of application than OggPCM, which is just
solving your particular problem. Therefore it would be better if you rename
OggPCM to something that is more specific to just your project.

Although both specs are competing and unfinished, it makes sense for us as a
community to focus on continuing development of a single one of the two. In
particular since we are now asking for external feedback.

I therefore suggest: LET'S TAKE A VOTE and decide on which format to
continue developing.

   WHO prefers we continue working as a community on development of
   (1) OggPCM or
   (2) OggPCM2?

Cheers,
Silvia.



-----Original Message-----
From:	ogg-dev-bounces@xiph.org on behalf of Arc
Sent:	Tue 11/15/2005 8:12 AM
To:	oliver oli
Cc:	ogg-dev@xiph.org; sursound@music.vt.edu
Subject:	Re: [ogg-dev] Ambisonics und OggPCM
On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 03:10:22AM +1100, Erik de Castro Lopo
wrote:
> That spec is being superceded by:
> 
>      http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/OggPCM2
The project has been forked, not superceded.

Work on OggPCM is continuing, the team working on OggPCM2 is free to submit 
their own draft but some are not welcome to continue work on OggPCM due to 
their recent social conduct.

I'm requesting that the team working on OggPCM2 rename their project to
avoid
confusion, prehaps to the four letter "WAVE" which would fill the
first 32-bits
as codec magic.

Neither team has produced a "release canidate" draft up for approval
by Xiph as
a whole, so both can be considered parrellel projects.

-- 

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 to allow each to be what she and he can be,
  rests inherently upon the availability of knowledge;
 The perpetuation of ignorance is the beginning of slavery.

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Thought
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Silvia.Pfeiffer@csiro.au wrote:
> I therefore suggest: LET'S TAKE A VOTE and decide on which format to
continue developing.
> 
>    WHO prefers we continue working as a community on development of
>    (1) OggPCM or
>    (2) OggPCM2?
OggPCM2 for me.

Erik
-- 
+-----------------------------------------------------------+
  Erik de Castro Lopo
+-----------------------------------------------------------+
"Using Java as a general purpose application development language
is like going big game hunting armed with Nerf weapons."
-- Author Unknown

>    WHO prefers we continue working as a community on development of
>    (1) OggPCM or
>    (2) OggPCM2?
I'm voting for OggPCM2.

Can I also vote to ban Arc from all the Internets? ;-)

	Jean-Marc

On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 09:43:26AM +1100, Silvia.Pfeiffer@csiro.au
wrote:
> I therefore suggest: LET'S TAKE A VOTE and decide on which format to
continue developing.
> 
>    WHO prefers we continue working as a community on development of
>    (1) OggPCM or
>    (2) OggPCM2?
> 
(2) OggPCM2

However, this vote is about a community process, not about the specifics of
a particular format; both specifications are still under development.

OggPCM has been under development under the leadership of Arc. Arc
has managed to insult and abuse every contributor to that specification,
through private email and private IRC messages, as well as in public
email, IRC and Wiki comments. Arc, whether or not that was your intention,
your actions over the past week have been destructive to our community.
Please stop.

Leading the design of such a specification is a difficult task requiring
not only technical skill and familiarity with the subject, but also
the social grace to develop consensus.

Conrad.