Yo Zed, Just curious -- what do you think of the LiteSpeed server? Is it better than Lighty? Does it (gasp!) also serve Rails apps like Mongrel? I think I read that LiteSpeed doesn''t have proxying support. Thanks, Joe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
On 9/7/06, Joe Ruby <joeat303 at yahoo.com> wrote:> Yo Zed, > > Just curious -- what do you think of the LiteSpeed > server? Is it better than Lighty? Does it (gasp!) also > serve Rails apps like Mongrel? I think I read that > LiteSpeed doesn''t have proxying support. > > Thanks, > JoeIt does have proxying support, but it doesn''t have any mod_rewrite capabilities before proxying last I checked. This makes it a lousy frontend for Mongrel. But all the claims of speed and ease-of-setup are with Litespeed''s proprietary LSAPI, and not mongrel. -- Rick Olson http://weblog.techno-weenie.net http://mephistoblog.com
On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 13:35 -0700, Joe Ruby wrote:> Yo Zed, > > Just curious -- what do you think of the LiteSpeed > server? Is it better than Lighty? Does it (gasp!) also > serve Rails apps like Mongrel? I think I read that > LiteSpeed doesn''t have proxying support.I think litespeed is good stuff. I really want people who can''t DIY with Mongrel and need pointy-clicky setup to go to litespeed. Or people who need more commercial support. I could even see people using Mongrel for fast development, and then pumping it onto a litespeed for their latest intranet app. My problem with the litspeed team is that they keep focusing their marketing on how fast litespeed is, but they should be focusing on how easy litespeed is to use by comparison. I''d be trying to sell it to Win32 as a way to get IIS management simplicity from a web server on a Unix platform. Better yet, call the damn thing Litespeed Enterprise Rails Application server and sell it for 10k/CPU. You''re probably laughing, but remember when I was joking about the Mongrel 0.4 Enterprise Edition 1.2 release? It was obviously a joke, but I *still* got about 5 serious queries about it just because it had Enterprise in the name. Fact of the matter is most managers are morons barely aware of technology, deathly afraid for their jobs, yet they''re the ones buying all the stuff. They don''t give a damn about req/sec, they care about "Enterprise", "Commercial Support", and the fact that they can hire a Junior Admin rather than Ezra to get their application running. So if I can receive serious replies to a damn joke about an Enterprise edition of Mongrel, imagine what a company actually seriously offering an Enterprise Application Server could do? Hopefully they can get their heads out of their ass and beat Sun to the punch: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2006/09/07/JRuby-guys I''m betting everyone $0.01 that Sun has a Rails Enterprise Server by the end of the year, or that one of their JCP Oligarchy partners claims support for it. You watch. Funny thing is they''ll be running Mongrel (unless Sun changes that up too). Anyway, gonna be interesting. -- Zed A. Shaw http://www.zedshaw.com/ http://mongrel.rubyforge.org/ http://www.lingr.com/room/3yXhqKbfPy8 -- Come get help.
On Sep 7, 2006, at 4:26 PM, Zed Shaw wrote:> I think litespeed is good stuff. I really want people who can''t DIY > with Mongrel and need pointy-clicky setup to go to litespeed. Or > people > who need more commercial support.Yes I agree and consulted on their implementation. We used litespeed on php stuff like wordpress.com so had some history.> Hopefully they can get their heads out of their ass and beat Sun to > the > punch:Well. If I was a betting man ...> http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2006/09/07/JRuby-guys > > I''m betting everyone $0.01 that Sun has a Rails Enterprise Server > by the > end of the year, or that one of their JCP Oligarchy partners claims > support for it. You watch.You''ll want to increase the amount of that bet. ;-) - J ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Jason A. Hoffman, PhD | Founder, CTO, Joyent Inc. Applications => http://joyent.com/ Hosting => http://textdrive.com/ Backups => http://strongspace.com/ Weblog => http://joyeur.com/ Email => jason at joyent.com or jason at textdrive.com Mobile => (858)342-2179 ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Hi Zed, On 9/7/06, Zed Shaw <zedshaw at zedshaw.com> wrote:> > On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 13:35 -0700, Joe Ruby wrote: > > Yo Zed, > > > ....imagine what a company actually seriously offering > an Enterprise Application Server could do? > > Hopefully they can get their heads out of their ass and beat Sun to the > punch: > > http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2006/09/07/JRuby-guys > > I''m betting everyone $0.01 that Sun has a Rails Enterprise Server by the > end of the year, or that one of their JCP Oligarchy partners claims > support for it. You watch. > > Funny thing is they''ll be running Mongrel (unless Sun changes that up > too). > > Anyway, gonna be interesting. >I''m thinking that Sun would like to have JRuby running on their existing appServers like GlassFish/Tomcat (instead of on other appServers). Sun intially wants to have developers use their tools like Netbeans or Creator/Semplice(VB for java) to develop ruby/rails code. It would not hurt us ruby/rails guys to use good IDEs(provided they are ruby/rails specific). Hopefully, sun can contribute nicely for defining the Ruby Programming Lanugage Specification so that there is a consistent implementation in the CRuby, Java Ruby and I''m almost sure C# RUBY(.NET)). Sun can contribute in terms of i18n support, threading and monitoring tools/API. Yeah, it sure''s gonna be interesting. -- BR, Anjan Bacchu anjan.dev at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/mongrel-users/attachments/20060907/5d5d50b1/attachment.html
Sweet! If Sun gets involved Rails will have 3000 classes and we will need four 1000+ page books and a network engineer to deploy the "Hello, Rails!" app. I can''t wait. ;) Shawn shawn at brmethod.com _____ From: mongrel-users-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:mongrel-users-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of anjan bacchu Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 9:02 PM To: mongrel-users at rubyforge.org Subject: Re: [Mongrel] LiteSpeed Hi Zed, On 9/7/06, Zed Shaw <zedshaw at zedshaw.com> wrote: On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 13:35 -0700, Joe Ruby wrote:> Yo Zed, >....imagine what a company actually seriously offering an Enterprise Application Server could do? Hopefully they can get their heads out of their ass and beat Sun to the punch: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2006/09/07/JRuby-guys I''m betting everyone $0.01 that Sun has a Rails Enterprise Server by the end of the year, or that one of their JCP Oligarchy partners claims support for it. You watch. Funny thing is they''ll be running Mongrel (unless Sun changes that up too). Anyway, gonna be interesting. I''m thinking that Sun would like to have JRuby running on their existing appServers like GlassFish/Tomcat (instead of on other appServers). Sun intially wants to have developers use their tools like Netbeans or Creator/Semplice(VB for java) to develop ruby/rails code. It would not hurt us ruby/rails guys to use good IDEs(provided they are ruby/rails specific). Hopefully, sun can contribute nicely for defining the Ruby Programming Lanugage Specification so that there is a consistent implementation in the CRuby, Java Ruby and I''m almost sure C# RUBY(.NET)). Sun can contribute in terms of i18n support, threading and monitoring tools/API. Yeah, it sure''s gonna be interesting. -- BR, Anjan Bacchu anjan.dev at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/mongrel-users/attachments/20060908/98a0f68a/attachment.html
Yeah, that was the first thought I had about the JRuby news -- here come the enterprisey people. :( Joe --- Sweet! If Sun gets involved Rails will have 3000 classes and we will need four 1000+ page books and a network engineer to deploy the "Hello, Rails!" app. I can''t wait. ;) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
On Fri, 2006-09-08 at 13:13 -0700, Joe Ruby wrote:> Yeah, that was the first thought I had about the JRuby > news -- here come the enterprisey people. :(Nah, the JRuby guys are cool, if anything evil happens it''ll be due to something outside their control. -- Zed A. Shaw http://www.zedshaw.com/ http://mongrel.rubyforge.org/ http://www.lingr.com/room/3yXhqKbfPy8 -- Come get help.
On 9/8/06, Zed Shaw <zedshaw at zedshaw.com> wrote:> On Fri, 2006-09-08 at 13:13 -0700, Joe Ruby wrote: > > Yeah, that was the first thought I had about the JRuby > > news -- here come the enterprisey people. :( > > Nah, the JRuby guys are cool, if anything evil happens it''ll be due to > something outside their control.Will mongrel (just mongrel, not Rails) run under JRuby right now? Kirk
On 9/8/06, Kirk Haines <wyhaines at gmail.com> wrote:> > On 9/8/06, Zed Shaw <zedshaw at zedshaw.com> wrote: > > On Fri, 2006-09-08 at 13:13 -0700, Joe Ruby wrote: > > > Yeah, that was the first thought I had about the JRuby > > > news -- here come the enterprisey people. :( > > > > Nah, the JRuby guys are cool, if anything evil happens it''ll be due to > > something outside their control. > > Will mongrel (just mongrel, not Rails) run under JRuby right now?Not yet, but it''s getting close. An interesting development happened recently when the "Ragel guy" (sorry I don''t know his name) approached Charlie and told him he had built a Ragel -> Java code generator which should help the porting process quite a bit and help it get closer to the main Mongrel codebase (at least in theory). Ask over at one of the JRuby lists [1] for more details if you''re interested. /Nick [1] http://xircles.codehaus.org/projects/jruby/lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/mongrel-users/attachments/20060908/0989422e/attachment.html