Kostya Serebryany via llvm-dev
2017-Jun-16 18:06 UTC
[llvm-dev] [CFI] Manually linking classes that have no inheritance link
-krasin@ On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 11:05 AM, Kostya Serebryany <kcc at google.com> wrote:> > > On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:39 PM, Enes Göktaş <enes.goktas at gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi Kostya, >> >> Please find attached the minimized motivation test. >> I hope it is minimized enough. If not please let me know so I can try to >> make it more minimal. >> Were you expecting something like this? >> >> Also I think the tests that I should provide along with the patch should >> be in a special format right? >> > > Yes. Take a look at other tests in llvm/projects/compiler-rt/test/cfi > > (I did not study your patch or tests in detail yet, and probably won't > have time until mid Jul. But others may) > > My major concern with any such patch is that it complicates the > implementation. > For many parts of compiler extra complexity is acceptable, but CFI is a > security mitigation feature and as such should be minimal. > > --kcc > > >> I think I should be looking at http://llvm.org/docs/Developer >> Policy.html#test-cases, and http://llvm.org/docs/TestingGuide.html for >> more information for adding tests to the patch. Any other handy links by >> any chance? >> >> -- >> Enes >> >> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Kostya Serebryany <kcc at google.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Enes, >>> >>> I usually find it nearly impossible to discuss complex issues likes this >>> w/o having a minimized motivation test. >>> Could you please provide such a test with one of the patches? >>> (And in general, please try to provide tests with any patch) >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> --kcc >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 5:08 AM, Enes Göktaş <enes.goktas at gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I would like to propose extending the Control-Flow Integrity (CFI) >>>> mechanism in LLVM/Clang with a feature that allows users to explicitly link >>>> classes that have no inheritance link. Usually, if one class is used at >>>> locations in code where this class is not expected, this will create a CFI >>>> error at runtime, assuming the application is built with CFI enabled. >>>> However, in cases where the user has a complex code structure or design >>>> that should allow this behavior, there is currently no solution but >>>> disabling the CFI checks. Disabling the CFI checks is not a preferable >>>> option when one wants to protect against memory corruption exploitation. >>>> >>>> This feature prevents the CFI errors by expanding the valid vtable sets >>>> at virtual callsites with vtables of classes specified in a sanitizer >>>> blacklist file by the user. This allows keeping the CFI checks enabled. >>>> >>>> When applying CFI to Firefox, I had to use this feature to solve the >>>> CFI errors caused by XPCOM in Firefox. XPCOM is a fundamental technique in >>>> Firefox and its design is so complex and intricate that changing XPCOM to >>>> solve the CFI errors would be very difficult. XPCOM allows components to be >>>> written in multiple languages and allows them being used from different >>>> languages. For example, components implemented in JavaScript(JS) can be >>>> used from C++ through their corresponding classes defined in C++. However, >>>> it is worth mentioning that these classes are not implemented in C++ but in >>>> JS. Behind the scenes, during runtime a generic proxy class is used for all >>>> JS-component classes within the C++ code. This proxy class leads the >>>> execution to the JS code. >>>> When CFI is applied, the CFI checks at virtual callsites that have the >>>> type of a JS-component class, fail, because at runtime the vtable of the >>>> generic proxy class is used at these virtual callsites, while there is no >>>> inheritance link between the JS-component and the generic proxy class. >>>> >>>> With the following patches I was able to specify the links between >>>> these classes such that during compilation the vtable of the generic proxy >>>> class was added to the vtable sets at virtual callsites with the type of >>>> the JS-component classes: >>>> - https://reviews.llvm.org/D34233 >>>> - https://reviews.llvm.org/D34231 >>>> >>>> Without these patches, XPCOM would have to be significantly changed and >>>> probably written from scratch. Simply making the JS-component classes a >>>> descendant of the generic proxy class, or vice versa, is not an option, >>>> because this would break the design. Making the generic proxy class a >>>> descendant of the JS-component classes would result in a bad design in >>>> which the proxy class inherits from tens of classes. Also the vtable of the >>>> proxy class should overlay the structure of the JS-component vtables in a >>>> very specific way. Making one a descendant of the other will break the >>>> overlaying property. >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> Enes >>>> >>> >>> >> >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/attachments/20170616/8e53c6c0/attachment.html>
Evgenii Stepanov via llvm-dev
2017-Jun-16 18:55 UTC
[llvm-dev] [CFI] Manually linking classes that have no inheritance link
Well I find the changes necessary to support this exceptionally simple and obviously safe. All additional risk is on the whitelist user side, and it does not even compare with blanket whitelisting of libc++ ;) Having said that, source annotations should be preferred to whitelists when possible. This could be a class __attribute__ declaring that the class is layout-compatible with some other class. On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Kostya Serebryany <kcc at google.com> wrote:> -krasin@ > > On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 11:05 AM, Kostya Serebryany <kcc at google.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:39 PM, Enes Göktaş <enes.goktas at gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Kostya, >>> >>> Please find attached the minimized motivation test. >>> I hope it is minimized enough. If not please let me know so I can try to >>> make it more minimal. >>> Were you expecting something like this? >>> >>> Also I think the tests that I should provide along with the patch should >>> be in a special format right? >> >> >> Yes. Take a look at other tests in llvm/projects/compiler-rt/test/cfi >> >> (I did not study your patch or tests in detail yet, and probably won't >> have time until mid Jul. But others may) >> >> My major concern with any such patch is that it complicates the >> implementation. >> For many parts of compiler extra complexity is acceptable, but CFI is a >> security mitigation feature and as such should be minimal. >> >> --kcc >> >>> >>> I think I should be looking at >>> http://llvm.org/docs/DeveloperPolicy.html#test-cases, and >>> http://llvm.org/docs/TestingGuide.html for more information for adding tests >>> to the patch. Any other handy links by any chance? >>> >>> -- >>> Enes >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Kostya Serebryany <kcc at google.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Enes, >>>> >>>> I usually find it nearly impossible to discuss complex issues likes this >>>> w/o having a minimized motivation test. >>>> Could you please provide such a test with one of the patches? >>>> (And in general, please try to provide tests with any patch) >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> --kcc >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 5:08 AM, Enes Göktaş <enes.goktas at gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I would like to propose extending the Control-Flow Integrity (CFI) >>>>> mechanism in LLVM/Clang with a feature that allows users to explicitly link >>>>> classes that have no inheritance link. Usually, if one class is used at >>>>> locations in code where this class is not expected, this will create a CFI >>>>> error at runtime, assuming the application is built with CFI enabled. >>>>> However, in cases where the user has a complex code structure or design that >>>>> should allow this behavior, there is currently no solution but disabling the >>>>> CFI checks. Disabling the CFI checks is not a preferable option when one >>>>> wants to protect against memory corruption exploitation. >>>>> >>>>> This feature prevents the CFI errors by expanding the valid vtable sets >>>>> at virtual callsites with vtables of classes specified in a sanitizer >>>>> blacklist file by the user. This allows keeping the CFI checks enabled. >>>>> >>>>> When applying CFI to Firefox, I had to use this feature to solve the >>>>> CFI errors caused by XPCOM in Firefox. XPCOM is a fundamental technique in >>>>> Firefox and its design is so complex and intricate that changing XPCOM to >>>>> solve the CFI errors would be very difficult. XPCOM allows components to be >>>>> written in multiple languages and allows them being used from different >>>>> languages. For example, components implemented in JavaScript(JS) can be used >>>>> from C++ through their corresponding classes defined in C++. However, it is >>>>> worth mentioning that these classes are not implemented in C++ but in JS. >>>>> Behind the scenes, during runtime a generic proxy class is used for all >>>>> JS-component classes within the C++ code. This proxy class leads the >>>>> execution to the JS code. >>>>> When CFI is applied, the CFI checks at virtual callsites that have the >>>>> type of a JS-component class, fail, because at runtime the vtable of the >>>>> generic proxy class is used at these virtual callsites, while there is no >>>>> inheritance link between the JS-component and the generic proxy class. >>>>> >>>>> With the following patches I was able to specify the links between >>>>> these classes such that during compilation the vtable of the generic proxy >>>>> class was added to the vtable sets at virtual callsites with the type of the >>>>> JS-component classes: >>>>> - https://reviews.llvm.org/D34233 >>>>> - https://reviews.llvm.org/D34231 >>>>> >>>>> Without these patches, XPCOM would have to be significantly changed and >>>>> probably written from scratch. Simply making the JS-component classes a >>>>> descendant of the generic proxy class, or vice versa, is not an option, >>>>> because this would break the design. Making the generic proxy class a >>>>> descendant of the JS-component classes would result in a bad design in which >>>>> the proxy class inherits from tens of classes. Also the vtable of the proxy >>>>> class should overlay the structure of the JS-component vtables in a very >>>>> specific way. Making one a descendant of the other will break the overlaying >>>>> property. >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards, >>>>> Enes >>>> >>>> >>> >> >
Enes Göktaş via llvm-dev
2017-Jun-19 15:16 UTC
[llvm-dev] [CFI] Manually linking classes that have no inheritance link
As you noted the class links are actually of the whitelisting kind and not of the blacklisting kind. Doing this with an attribute is pretty interesting and sounds like a better fit to me. I think this could look something like: __attribute__((compatible_vtable_layout("JSComponentMath", "JSComponentImage"))) class ProxyClass{ public: ... } Would this be more admissible? On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Evgenii Stepanov <eugenis at google.com> wrote:> > Well I find the changes necessary to support this exceptionally simple > and obviously safe. All additional risk is on the whitelist user side, > and it does not even compare with blanket whitelisting of libc++ ;) > > Having said that, source annotations should be preferred to whitelists > when possible. This could be a class __attribute__ declaring that the > class is layout-compatible with some other class. > > On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Kostya Serebryany <kcc at google.com>wrote:> > -krasin@ > > > > On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 11:05 AM, Kostya Serebryany <kcc at google.com>wrote:> >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:39 PM, Enes Göktaş <enes.goktas at gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi Kostya, > >>> > >>> Please find attached the minimized motivation test. > >>> I hope it is minimized enough. If not please let me know so I can tryto> >>> make it more minimal. > >>> Were you expecting something like this? > >>> > >>> Also I think the tests that I should provide along with the patchshould> >>> be in a special format right? > >> > >> > >> Yes. Take a look at other tests in llvm/projects/compiler-rt/test/cfi > >> > >> (I did not study your patch or tests in detail yet, and probably won't > >> have time until mid Jul. But others may) > >> > >> My major concern with any such patch is that it complicates the > >> implementation. > >> For many parts of compiler extra complexity is acceptable, but CFI is a > >> security mitigation feature and as such should be minimal. > >> > >> --kcc > >> > >>> > >>> I think I should be looking at > >>> http://llvm.org/docs/DeveloperPolicy.html#test-cases, and > >>> http://llvm.org/docs/TestingGuide.html for more information foradding tests> >>> to the patch. Any other handy links by any chance? > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Enes > >>> > >>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Kostya Serebryany <kcc at google.com> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi Enes, > >>>> > >>>> I usually find it nearly impossible to discuss complex issues likesthis> >>>> w/o having a minimized motivation test. > >>>> Could you please provide such a test with one of the patches? > >>>> (And in general, please try to provide tests with any patch) > >>>> > >>>> Thanks! > >>>> > >>>> --kcc > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 5:08 AM, Enes Göktaş <enes.goktas at gmail.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi, > >>>>> > >>>>> I would like to propose extending the Control-Flow Integrity (CFI) > >>>>> mechanism in LLVM/Clang with a feature that allows users toexplicitly link> >>>>> classes that have no inheritance link. Usually, if one class isused at> >>>>> locations in code where this class is not expected, this willcreate a CFI> >>>>> error at runtime, assuming the application is built with CFIenabled.> >>>>> However, in cases where the user has a complex code structure ordesign that> >>>>> should allow this behavior, there is currently no solution butdisabling the> >>>>> CFI checks. Disabling the CFI checks is not a preferable optionwhen one> >>>>> wants to protect against memory corruption exploitation. > >>>>> > >>>>> This feature prevents the CFI errors by expanding the valid vtablesets> >>>>> at virtual callsites with vtables of classes specified in asanitizer> >>>>> blacklist file by the user. This allows keeping the CFI checksenabled.> >>>>> > >>>>> When applying CFI to Firefox, I had to use this feature to solve the > >>>>> CFI errors caused by XPCOM in Firefox. XPCOM is a fundamentaltechnique in> >>>>> Firefox and its design is so complex and intricate that changingXPCOM to> >>>>> solve the CFI errors would be very difficult. XPCOM allowscomponents to be> >>>>> written in multiple languages and allows them being used fromdifferent> >>>>> languages. For example, components implemented in JavaScript(JS)can be used> >>>>> from C++ through their corresponding classes defined in C++.However, it is> >>>>> worth mentioning that these classes are not implemented in C++ butin JS.> >>>>> Behind the scenes, during runtime a generic proxy class is used forall> >>>>> JS-component classes within the C++ code. This proxy class leads the > >>>>> execution to the JS code. > >>>>> When CFI is applied, the CFI checks at virtual callsites that havethe> >>>>> type of a JS-component class, fail, because at runtime the vtableof the> >>>>> generic proxy class is used at these virtual callsites, while thereis no> >>>>> inheritance link between the JS-component and the generic proxyclass.> >>>>> > >>>>> With the following patches I was able to specify the links between > >>>>> these classes such that during compilation the vtable of thegeneric proxy> >>>>> class was added to the vtable sets at virtual callsites with thetype of the> >>>>> JS-component classes: > >>>>> - https://reviews.llvm.org/D34233 > >>>>> - https://reviews.llvm.org/D34231 > >>>>> > >>>>> Without these patches, XPCOM would have to be significantly changedand> >>>>> probably written from scratch. Simply making the JS-componentclasses a> >>>>> descendant of the generic proxy class, or vice versa, is not anoption,> >>>>> because this would break the design. Making the generic proxy classa> >>>>> descendant of the JS-component classes would result in a bad designin which> >>>>> the proxy class inherits from tens of classes. Also the vtable ofthe proxy> >>>>> class should overlay the structure of the JS-component vtables in avery> >>>>> specific way. Making one a descendant of the other will break theoverlaying> >>>>> property. > >>>>> > >>>>> Kind regards, > >>>>> Enes > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/attachments/20170619/90c35721/attachment-0001.html>
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