llvm dev - Mar 2016 - We really need more community involvement with GSoC

@James
I am not sure in IRC if we can retrieve back the older messages. So
consider Slack as suggestion only.

*Vivek Pandya*


On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 6:29 PM, James Molloy <james at jamesmolloy.co.uk>
wrote:
> Hmm. But we already use IRC, we don't already use Slack (as a
community).
>
> On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 at 10:57, vivek pandya <vivekvpandya at
gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I would like to insist more to use slack.com due to persistent storage
>> of message it can be useful to create 'Minutes of Meeting' kind
of thing
>> and later on shared on mailing list so that all community can be aware
of
>> that, when some serious discussion has happened during 'office
hours'.
>>
>> *Vivek Pandya*
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 1:53 AM, Chandler Carruth <chandlerc at
google.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> +1000 to all of this fwiw.
>>>
>>> I'm happy to chat with some folks and send out a concrete
proposal?
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 9:07 PM James Molloy via llvm-dev <
>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think the idea of dedicated "newbie hour - no question
is too basic"
>>>> drop in sessions is fantastic. +1 for that.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2016 at 11:26 Bruce Hoult via llvm-dev <
>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I work for one of those "top companies", but LLVM
is only one of the
>>>>> back-ends I'm working with so I have only pretty narrow
knowledge of it
>>>>> (but ok knowledge of compilers in general, I hope).
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm trying to post easy to understand answers to those
beginner
>>>>> questions when I have time (there was one yesterday, about
constant
>>>>> evaluating things like sqrt() in the front end).
>>>>>
>>>>> One concern I have is that although these basic questions
often have
>>>>> no answers on the mailing list, any number of people might
well have
>>>>> replied to them privately, in an effort to both be helpful
to the
>>>>> questioner, and also to "maintain the signal to noise
ratio" of the mailing
>>>>> list.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course I don't know if this is really happening or
not, but if it
>>>>> is then the wasted duplication of effort is probably worse
than a few extra
>>>>> messages on the list. Which is why I copy the list as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> The "office hours" idea would definitely help
with all this, if
>>>>> beginners can in fact be encouraged to use it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd probably use it myself, as I'm a novice to many
aspects of LLVM.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 3:47 PM, vivek pandya via llvm-dev
<
>>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Note : I do not mean to compare or criticize any
organization. This
>>>>>> is based on my experience.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Community,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have subscribed llvm-dev list for last 6 months and I
follow most
>>>>>> of the thread when it makes sense to me. I have
observed that some times
>>>>>> some mails do not get any kind of response. Mostly
novice students and some
>>>>>> one trying to use LLVM in the research have many
questions.
>>>>>> I respect all community members and I understand that
working for top
>>>>>> companies or colleges keep them very busy. So when I go
on IRC same things
>>>>>> happens ( I keep my self up late night to sync with
timezone so I get many
>>>>>> people to ask on IRC).
>>>>>>  Personally if I stretch my self and read some older
mail chains, I
>>>>>> am able to get answers to my questions 80% of time, but
some time I just
>>>>>> get stuck and some times to understand output and
"why it has happen so" a
>>>>>> novice may require help from you people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have just one suggestion that is not particular to
GSoC but it
>>>>>> applies in general. Actually Drupal.org uses this idea.
See this
>>>>>> https://www.drupal.org/core-office-hours
>>>>>> Every Monday and Wednesday they keep a session on IRC 
(just textual
>>>>>> chat) dedicated to novice student may be an hour long
or so. To keep main
>>>>>> channel undisturbed we may have a separate channel. (or
slack.com )
>>>>>>  The time chosen for both days are very different so
that they can cover
>>>>>> may time zones. 2 or 3 experienced community members
attends this session
>>>>>> and answers to the each kind of questions from
participant. This will help
>>>>>> students and researchers very much. Specially if they
are not able to
>>>>>> progress by their own.
>>>>>> I have been benefited from this on Drupal. LLVM is more
complex code
>>>>>> base than Drupal. And I believe that your 60 minutes
may save their days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> Vivek
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> LLVM Developers mailing list
>>>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
>>>>>> http://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> LLVM Developers mailing list
>>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
>>>>> http://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> LLVM Developers mailing list
>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
>>>> http://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev
>>>>
>>>
>>
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On Sunday, 20 March 2016, vivek pandya <vivekvpandya at gmail.com> wrote:
> @James
> I am not sure in IRC if we can retrieve back the older messages. So
> consider Slack as suggestion only.
>
> *Vivek Pandya*
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 6:29 PM, James Molloy <james at
jamesmolloy.co.uk
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','james at
jamesmolloy.co.uk');>> wrote:
>
>> Hmm. But we already use IRC, we don't already use Slack (as a
community).
>>
>> On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 at 10:57, vivek pandya <vivekvpandya at
gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','vivekvpandya at
gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> I would like to insist more to use slack.com due to persistent
storage
>>> of message it can be useful to create 'Minutes of Meeting'
kind of thing
>>> and later on shared on mailing list so that all community can be
aware of
>>> that, when some serious discussion has happened during 'office
hours'.
>>>
>>> *Vivek Pandya*
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 1:53 AM, Chandler Carruth <chandlerc at
google.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','chandlerc at
google.com');>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> +1000 to all of this fwiw.
>>>>
>>>> I'm happy to chat with some folks and send out a concrete
proposal?
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 9:07 PM James Molloy via llvm-dev <
>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','llvm-dev at
lists.llvm.org');>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think the idea of dedicated "newbie hour - no
question is too basic"
>>>>> drop in sessions is fantastic. +1 for that.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2016 at 11:26 Bruce Hoult via llvm-dev <
>>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','llvm-dev at
lists.llvm.org');>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I work for one of those "top companies", but
LLVM is only one of the
>>>>>> back-ends I'm working with so I have only pretty
narrow knowledge of it
>>>>>> (but ok knowledge of compilers in general, I hope).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm trying to post easy to understand answers to
those beginner
>>>>>> questions when I have time (there was one yesterday,
about constant
>>>>>> evaluating things like sqrt() in the front end).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One concern I have is that although these basic
questions often have
>>>>>> no answers on the mailing list, any number of people
might well have
>>>>>> replied to them privately, in an effort to both be
helpful to the
>>>>>> questioner, and also to "maintain the signal to
noise ratio" of the mailing
>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course I don't know if this is really happening
or not, but if it
>>>>>> is then the wasted duplication of effort is probably
worse than a few extra
>>>>>> messages on the list. Which is why I copy the list as
well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The "office hours" idea would definitely help
with all this, if
>>>>>> beginners can in fact be encouraged to use it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd probably use it myself, as I'm a novice to
many aspects of LLVM.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 3:47 PM, vivek pandya via
llvm-dev <
>>>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','llvm-dev
at lists.llvm.org');>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Note : I do not mean to compare or criticize any
organization. This
>>>>>>> is based on my experience.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Community,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have subscribed llvm-dev list for last 6 months
and I follow most
>>>>>>> of the thread when it makes sense to me. I have
observed that some times
>>>>>>> some mails do not get any kind of response. Mostly
novice students and some
>>>>>>> one trying to use LLVM in the research have many
questions.
>>>>>>> I respect all community members and I understand
that working for
>>>>>>> top companies or colleges keep them very busy. So
when I go on IRC same
>>>>>>> things happens ( I keep my self up late night to
sync with timezone so I
>>>>>>> get many people to ask on IRC).
>>>>>>>  Personally if I stretch my self and read some
older mail chains, I
>>>>>>> am able to get answers to my questions 80% of time,
but some time I just
>>>>>>> get stuck and some times to understand output and
"why it has happen so" a
>>>>>>> novice may require help from you people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have just one suggestion that is not particular
to GSoC but it
>>>>>>> applies in general. Actually Drupal.org uses this
idea. See this
>>>>>>> https://www.drupal.org/core-office-hours
>>>>>>> Every Monday and Wednesday they keep a session on
IRC  (just textual
>>>>>>> chat) dedicated to novice student may be an hour
long or so. To keep main
>>>>>>> channel undisturbed we may have a separate channel.
(or slack.com )
>>>>>>>  The time chosen for both days are very different
so that they can cover
>>>>>>> may time zones. 2 or 3 experienced community
members attends this session
>>>>>>> and answers to the each kind of questions from
participant. This will help
>>>>>>> students and researchers very much. Specially if
they are not able to
>>>>>>> progress by their own.
>>>>>>> I have been benefited from this on Drupal. LLVM is
more complex code
>>>>>>> base than Drupal. And I believe that your 60
minutes may save their days.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> Vivek
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> LLVM Developers mailing list
>>>>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
>>>>>>>
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','llvm-dev at
lists.llvm.org');>
>>>>>>>
http://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> LLVM Developers mailing list
>>>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','llvm-dev
at lists.llvm.org');>
>>>>>> http://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev
>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> LLVM Developers mailing list
>>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','llvm-dev at
lists.llvm.org');>
>>>>> http://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
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Hi,

Indeed, and I think this suggestion will succeed best if the delta between
what community members do now and what they would need to do is small.
Loitering on one extra IRC room is trivial; loading a whole new system just
at the right time is likely to get fewer members.

James
On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 at 14:47, Bruce Hoult <bruce at hoult.org> wrote:
> IRC doesn't archive messages, but many IRC communities run a bot as a
room
> participant that archives to a web site (and often other services).
>
> On Sunday, 20 March 2016, vivek pandya <vivekvpandya at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> @James
>> I am not sure in IRC if we can retrieve back the older messages. So
>> consider Slack as suggestion only.
>>
>> *Vivek Pandya*
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 6:29 PM, James Molloy <james at
jamesmolloy.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hmm. But we already use IRC, we don't already use Slack (as a
community).
>>>
>>> On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 at 10:57, vivek pandya <vivekvpandya at
gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would like to insist more to use slack.com due to persistent
storage
>>>> of message it can be useful to create 'Minutes of
Meeting' kind of thing
>>>> and later on shared on mailing list so that all community can
be aware of
>>>> that, when some serious discussion has happened during
'office hours'.
>>>>
>>>> *Vivek Pandya*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 1:53 AM, Chandler Carruth <chandlerc
at google.com
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> +1000 to all of this fwiw.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm happy to chat with some folks and send out a
concrete proposal?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 9:07 PM James Molloy via llvm-dev
<
>>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the idea of dedicated "newbie hour - no
question is too
>>>>>> basic" drop in sessions is fantastic. +1 for that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2016 at 11:26 Bruce Hoult via llvm-dev
<
>>>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I work for one of those "top companies",
but LLVM is only one of the
>>>>>>> back-ends I'm working with so I have only
pretty narrow knowledge of it
>>>>>>> (but ok knowledge of compilers in general, I hope).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm trying to post easy to understand answers
to those beginner
>>>>>>> questions when I have time (there was one
yesterday, about constant
>>>>>>> evaluating things like sqrt() in the front end).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One concern I have is that although these basic
questions often have
>>>>>>> no answers on the mailing list, any number of
people might well have
>>>>>>> replied to them privately, in an effort to both be
helpful to the
>>>>>>> questioner, and also to "maintain the signal
to noise ratio" of the mailing
>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course I don't know if this is really
happening or not, but if it
>>>>>>> is then the wasted duplication of effort is
probably worse than a few extra
>>>>>>> messages on the list. Which is why I copy the list
as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The "office hours" idea would definitely
help with all this, if
>>>>>>> beginners can in fact be encouraged to use it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd probably use it myself, as I'm a novice
to many aspects of LLVM.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 3:47 PM, vivek pandya via
llvm-dev <
>>>>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Note : I do not mean to compare or criticize
any organization. This
>>>>>>>> is based on my experience.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Community,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have subscribed llvm-dev list for last 6
months and I follow most
>>>>>>>> of the thread when it makes sense to me. I have
observed that some times
>>>>>>>> some mails do not get any kind of response.
Mostly novice students and some
>>>>>>>> one trying to use LLVM in the research have
many questions.
>>>>>>>> I respect all community members and I
understand that working for
>>>>>>>> top companies or colleges keep them very busy.
So when I go on IRC same
>>>>>>>> things happens ( I keep my self up late night
to sync with timezone so I
>>>>>>>> get many people to ask on IRC).
>>>>>>>>  Personally if I stretch my self and read some
older mail chains, I
>>>>>>>> am able to get answers to my questions 80% of
time, but some time I just
>>>>>>>> get stuck and some times to understand output
and "why it has happen so" a
>>>>>>>> novice may require help from you people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have just one suggestion that is not
particular to GSoC but it
>>>>>>>> applies in general. Actually Drupal.org uses
this idea. See this
>>>>>>>> https://www.drupal.org/core-office-hours
>>>>>>>> Every Monday and Wednesday they keep a session
on IRC  (just
>>>>>>>> textual chat) dedicated to novice student may
be an hour long or so. To
>>>>>>>> keep main channel undisturbed we may have a
separate channel. (or
>>>>>>>> slack.com )  The time chosen for both days are
very different so
>>>>>>>> that they can cover may time zones. 2 or 3
experienced community members
>>>>>>>> attends this session and answers to the each
kind of questions from
>>>>>>>> participant. This will help students and
researchers very much. Specially
>>>>>>>> if they are not able to progress by their own.
>>>>>>>> I have been benefited from this on Drupal. LLVM
is more complex
>>>>>>>> code base than Drupal. And I believe that your
60 minutes may save their
>>>>>>>> days.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>> Vivek
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> LLVM Developers mailing list
>>>>>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
>>>>>>>>
http://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> LLVM Developers mailing list
>>>>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
>>>>>>>
http://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> LLVM Developers mailing list
>>>>>> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
>>>>>> http://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
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