Icecast - May 2010 - live mpeg4 input

I streamed Mpeg4 via QuickTime for several years using the encoder and
Helios server.  Worked great with a QT player so it can be done but I don't
know of a way to do it for free.
Mike

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Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 6:29 PM
To: Olav Kvittem
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Subject: Re: [Icecast] live mpeg4 input

You can't, actually; the mp4 format has no provision for live
streaming.  It has to provide complete framing for a file up-front
before video data delivery begins.

You'll have to use VP6 or some other solution such as HTML5 with Ogg
video.  Soon, WebM will also be able to do this.

Monty
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Mike Murrell wrote:
> I streamed Mpeg4 via QuickTime for several years using the encoder and
> Helios server.  Worked great with a QT player so it can be done but I
don't
> know of a way to do it for free.
>   
I presume that separate players is to cumbersome for many users.

Is it possible to use find something  that can encode in real time(flv?) 
to a streaming server(icecast?)
and be presented on most platforms like win, mac, linux as Flash do, 
paid or not paid ?

I have and impression that html5 with ogg is not implemented widely in 
browsers yet.
I noticed that there is a nice java applet(Cortado) that can do ogg,
but I presume java is harder to install and thus less available than Flash.

Olav
> Mike
>
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> To: Olav Kvittem
> Cc: icecast at xiph.org
> Subject: Re: [Icecast] live mpeg4 input
>
> You can't, actually; the mp4 format has no provision for live
> streaming.  It has to provide complete framing for a file up-front
> before video data delivery begins.
>
> You'll have to use VP6 or some other solution such as HTML5 with Ogg
> video.  Soon, WebM will also be able to do this.
>
> Monty
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> I have and impression that html5 with ogg is not implemented widely in
> browsers yet.
> I noticed that there is a nice java applet(Cortado) that can do ogg,
> but I presume java is harder to install and thus less available than Flash.
Actually, the important bit is that older browsers all have Java
already installed, and they're generally the ones that need cortado.

Monty