On Sat, 2003-05-31 at 10:29, Stefan Neufeind wrote:> I have mp3s as input and can't convert them all. And since my > listeners will ONLY use mp3-streaming I don't want the overhead and > quality-loss of converting mp3 to ogg and later stream-transcode them > from ogg back to mp3. That's not worth it.> So why can't support for mp3 be added to ices2? From a technical > point, I mean? Somebody said "It's not and never will be". Any goodAll transcoding suffers from this. it doesn't matter if you do it before hand converting all your files or trancoding on-the-fly inside something like ices. Nothing is stopping it technically, but it's the non-technical points that are stopping this, there are patents on mp3 that people need to consider, ices2 is a xiph project so producing ogg streams comes before sorting out mp3 and of course some developers have to be interested in producing mp3 streams. There is nothing wrong with having multiple apps talking to icecast2. karl. <p>--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
On 31 May 2003 at 12:49, Karl Heyes wrote:> On Sat, 2003-05-31 at 10:29, Stefan Neufeind wrote: > > I have mp3s as input and can't convert them all. And since my > > listeners will ONLY use mp3-streaming I don't want the overhead and > > quality-loss of converting mp3 to ogg and later stream-transcode > > them from ogg back to mp3. That's not worth it. > > > So why can't support for mp3 be added to ices2? From a technical > > point, I mean? Somebody said "It's not and never will be". Any good > > All transcoding suffers from this. it doesn't matter if you do it > before hand converting all your files or trancoding on-the-fly inside > something like ices. > > Nothing is stopping it technically, but it's the non-technical points > that are stopping this, there are patents on mp3 that people need to > consider, ices2 is a xiph project so producing ogg streams comes > before sorting out mp3 and of course some developers have to be > interested in producing mp3 streams. > > There is nothing wrong with having multiple apps talking to icecast2.Patents: Well okay, if you transcode mp3s or something this might a patent- question (since you'd maybe have to license an encoder ... but not under all cases!!!). But sending mp3-files "as is" to the server shouldn't require too many changes - or am I wrong? I mean, no transcoding or something at all - just sending to the server and finished. What patents are you "fearing"? Multiple apps talking to icecast2: What do you mean? Still stick to ices-0.2.3-cvs? Well, if mp3-support really worked. As said before there were problems reported - and I experienced problems myself. So I wonder if it is easier to update ices-2.x to support mp3 since it's actively maintained. Stefan --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
On Sat, 2003-05-31 at 13:12, Stefan Neufeind wrote:> Patents: > Well okay, if you transcode mp3s or something this might a patent- > question (since you'd maybe have to license an encoder ... but not > under all cases!!!). But sending mp3-files "as is" to the server > shouldn't require too many changes - or am I wrong? I mean, no > transcoding or something at all - just sending to the server and > finished. What patents are you "fearing"?Bear in mind decoding is also subject to patent licensing. Sending as-is won't be a problem from a patent point of view, just from a coding point of view and how it fits in with the config file.> Multiple apps talking to icecast2: > What do you mean? Still stick to ices-0.2.3-cvs? Well, if mp3-support > really worked. As said before there were problems reported - and I > experienced problems myself. So I wonder if it is easier to update > ices-2.x to support mp3 since it's actively maintained.icecast2 supports multiple individual sources, so your not tied to one source application. karl. <p>--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.