Akos Maroy wrote:> > http://www.xiph.org/~msmith/ > > This has been said before. > This is no good. This is by far not the first time someone has pointed > out, that icecast2 is not mentioned _anywhere_ where one would expect to > find it. By this I mean locations like icecast.org, freshmeat.net, etc. > I wonder how people start to hear about icecast2. But when they do, the > _only_ way to find the actual software is to come to this list and ask.Well, the way I see it, icecast.org is some zombie webserver that nobody really has access to any more, or other really time intense steps have to be taken to do something. Since there's no nearly current note on icecast.org about anything, I suppose putting that little note up would equal the complete fixing of icecast.org. It's a matter of time that can only be spent by 1-2 people or so (iirc), and they don't have it. This is an unfortunate situation, but it has nothing to do with "secrecy" or any other bad intentions, I'm really sure about that.> It was mentioned earlier, that icecast 1.x os no longer being developed, > that it is obsolete, etc. Thus it is a dead project. But is it replacedI don't agree to the obsolete part, but the rest is simply true. Icecast, as the world knows it, *is* dead. Icecast2 is a new, independent program, as Mike already pointed out.> I also find it a very lazy excuse to say that icecast2 is still in > development, thus it is not mentioned anywhere. As Linus has said: > "release early, release often". Why not make 0.x releases to the public?Uhmm well, that's what CVS access and Mike's alpha1 release is for. Sure, it's annoying not to have a prominent place for those tarballs... anyways, literate people can already figure out that there's something like Icecast2 by using Google (e.g. by searching for "streaming ogg vorbis", w/o quotes). Results include CVS checkout and installation instructions by Ciaran Anscomb within the first 4 hits. If you care only about MP3 streaming, Icecast1 does a good job - so what is this "obsolete" stuff about anyways?> Or is this just a reasoning to cover the lack of will to make icecast2 > final?Blah, you're making unfair assumptions ... besides, a few hours ago, Mike committed changes/fixes to Icecast2/Ices2/Libshout2 again. <p>Moritz --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
gtgbr@gmx.net wrote:> Well, the way I see it, icecast.org is some zombie webserver that nobody > really has access to any more, or other really time intense steps haveWith all due respect, this is ridiculous. You're saying that the site icecast.org, which was the home page for icecast 1.x for serveral years, is a 'zombie webserver' that has nothing to say about icecast, be it past or future versions? I mean: what site would talk about a project called icecast then?> to be taken to do something. Since there's no nearly current note on > icecast.org about anything, I suppose putting that little note up would > equal the complete fixing of icecast.org. It's a matter of time that can > only be spent by 1-2 people or so (iirc), and they don't have it. This > is an unfortunate situation, but it has nothing to do with "secrecy" or > any other bad intentions, I'm really sure about that.I guess the time spent writing this e-mail would have been more than enough to complete the task mentioned here.> Icecast, as the world knows it, *is* dead. Icecast2 is a new, > independent program, as Mike already pointed out.Hm, and where can I find out about it? (Back to square one here.)> Uhmm well, that's what CVS access and Mike's alpha1 release is for. > Sure, it's annoying not to have a prominent place for those tarballs... > anyways, literate people can already figure out that there's something > like Icecast2 by using Google (e.g. by searching for "streaming ogg > vorbis", w/o quotes). Results include CVS checkout and installationI just can't find it a rational move to positively hide a project like icecast2 from the general public. And sorry, no sane administrator will deploy a server that has no official release version, only an alpha in a CVS. (This makes me insane, BTW.) Why alienate people from icecast in general, and make them chose other solutions? <p>Akos --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
gtgbr@gmx.net wrote:> Aaron Gaudio wrote: > >>Where is it released? Telling me I have to set up cvs to download > > > http://www.xiph.org/~msmith/ > > This has been said before.This is no good. This is by far not the first time someone has pointed out, that icecast2 is not mentioned _anywhere_ where one would expect to find it. By this I mean locations like icecast.org, freshmeat.net, etc. I wonder how people start to hear about icecast2. But when they do, the _only_ way to find the actual software is to come to this list and ask. Is this any good? Is there a reason for such secrecy?> > >>>I never said that it's a final release, I said "alpha release". It's not >> >>Then how is it a replacement for icecast1? How is a fully released >>icecast1 obsoleted by an alpha release? > > > Who said Icecast2 is a replacement? -2 can do most things -1 can do, so > maybe -2's different features are better for you? Use -2 then. It isn't? > Use -1. Or Shoutcast. Or Realmedia's Helix. Or whatever else there is.It was mentioned earlier, that icecast 1.x os no longer being developed, that it is obsolete, etc. Thus it is a dead project. But is it replaced by anything? Again, one looks at the icecast.org site, and has the impression that this project is dead (last latest news being May 1 2002, last icecast version released at April 10 2002). Only if one is initiated into the inner circles will know, that there is something new to come. By no means will someone, who just wants to _use_ icecast2 subscribe to this development list and find out. I also find it a very lazy excuse to say that icecast2 is still in development, thus it is not mentioned anywhere. As Linus has said: "release early, release often". Why not make 0.x releases to the public? Or is this just a reasoning to cover the lack of will to make icecast2 final? <p>Akos --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.