> whilst at the same time the development has ceased. I've found some > severe issues with OggFLAC that essentially make it a useless format > for streaming, no one cared.Yes, this is sad. cdparanoia, which could be considered a strong opensource meatspace partner to FLAC (along with cdda2wav) is also effectively dead. All three living on only in the ports trees of various operating systems. Minor bugs and doc fixes are always needed. What's worse is, when the heat turns up on dead projects, instead of just stepping up or handing off in a competitive/proposal/worthy yet time limited process, the authors emit some sort of lame 'Hey yeah, new release coming' message in an attempt to maintain ownership, which of course goes nowhere. It's really just a disservice to themselves and the community. Sad indeed. Have people forgotten what opensource is all about? There are plenty of people capable of doing these two. Certainly ripping. Fork I say. I love these projects, and their authors. So not as an affront to prior authors, but for betterment of the projects, always. And in regards to 'piracy'... I think it's safe to clearly and plainly say that the idea of a band/artist/whatever making their bread on CD sales is long dead. Not only did the labels never care to pay them properly (among other things, including going pop), but the digital revolution simply won't tolerate that model. Album production and sales, whether physical or digital, are merely required promotional spinoffs now. I say give that $10 you *might* have spent on used copy directly to the band via paypal and pirate away. Losslessly of course :) The only thing that will save CD is the band being the rightsholder (elminating the traditional labels) and distribution companies (who do only distribution) to a diverse range of retailers for a flat per unit fee just like any other category of distributed merchandise, groceries, shoes, tools, whatever.
On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 8:39 PM, grarpamp <grarpamp at gmail.com> wrote:> Yes, this is sad. cdparanoia, which could be considered a strong > opensource meatspace partner to FLAC (along with cdda2wav) > is also effectively dead. All three living on only in the ports trees of > various operating systems. Minor bugs and doc fixes are always > needed. What's worse is, when the heat turns up on dead projects, > instead of just stepping up or handing off in a competitive/proposal/worthy > yet time limited process, the authors emit some sort of lame 'Hey yeah, > new release coming' message in an attempt to maintain ownership, which > of course goes nowhere. It's really just a disservice to themselves and the > community. Sad indeed. Have people forgotten what opensource is all about? > There are plenty of people capable of doing these two. Certainly ripping. Fork I > say. I love these projects, and their authors. So not as an affront to prior > authors, but for betterment of the projects, always.did you read brian w's explanation of why FLAC appears "dead" ? the same thing really applies to cdparanoia, a program now more than 10 years old, maybe even 15. some things about ripping audio CDs just .... don't change.
> did you read brian w's explanation of why FLAC appears "dead" ? the > same thing really > applies to cdparanoia, a program now more than 10 years old, maybe > even 15. some things about ripping audio CDs just .... don't change.Oh I don't doubt the basics, red book is red book and bits are identically replicable and re rippable bits. But just as I said, there are always porting, bugs, docs, nits and overall features that can be done around the cores... that aren't being done. And that do limit adoption and suitability to task. Nothing stopping anyone from setting up public git repos and accepting patches, so long as those replicable core standards remain the unalterable and regression tested paramounts of this class of apps. There's also nothing wrong with major format revisions once in a while. Piano roll -> LP -> cassette -> CD, film -> VHS -> DVD -> Blu, NTSC->ATSC. People still make backwards compatible piano players, somewhere, lol :) And certainly lossless forward translators. And let's just be honest for a moment, hardware sellers are in the business of selling hardware. Unless their model is support based, or purely reputation based like say the Technics SL-1200, they must sell new hardware to survive. Therefore, they welcome revisions to the underlying stream once in a while. Planned obsoletion. Guess what? Technics patent expired, they failed to innovate and left the market. Now we have an OEM fill-in led, in example, by perhaps the Stanton ST.150. A new wrapper on the old LP core. Cisco could be considered masters at obsoletion. They sell new hardware to support new features at wire speed. And obsolete their own old children on strict schedules. All while charging ridiculous prices for hardware and support. Sure, the IPv4/6 streams haven't changed a whole lot, but some trappings have and they've been right there to cap on it. As to bandwidth, When you have many terabytes of audio, combined with processing and bandwidth in your use case, FLAC vs. WAV becomes a non-moot discussion. Were that to be also what you were referring to. Anyways, incoherent ramblings aside, this is about porting, bugs, docs, nits and overall features. Not cores.