flac dev - Jan 2011 - Idea to possibly improve flac?

On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 3:56 PM, David Richards <rawdod at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Its really sad to hear thats happening but even more sad is the fact
> that flac is becoming a very common format for music on the interweb
> whilst at the same time the development has ceased. I've found some
> severe issues with OggFLAC that essentially make it a useless format
> for streaming, no one cared.
could have fooled slimdevices/logitech, which sends FLAC to all their boxes.

I might be able to look into this soon, I actually got my mother a
squeezebox boom for xmas, but I have no experience with the device,
other than initial set up and hearing it go. My choice of the word
"useless" was deliberate to get folks rawled up, and it worked! :D It
doesn't make it entirely useless, just unreliable and inconsistent. If
they are using the code from the main flac branch unmodified then I'm
sure the device is hitting these bugs. There is different bugs in the
encoding and decoding side of things, and also in the ogg packaging
layer. All of this is related to periods of silence in the stream of
sound.

-D

On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Paul Davis <paul at linuxaudiosystems.com>
wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 3:56 PM, David Richards <rawdod at gmail.com>
wrote:
>> Its really sad to hear thats happening but even more sad is the fact
>> that flac is becoming a very common format for music on the interweb
>> whilst at the same time the development has ceased. I've found some
>> severe issues with OggFLAC that essentially make it a useless format
>> for streaming, no one cared.
>
> could have fooled slimdevices/logitech, which sends FLAC to all their
boxes.
>

I'd like to express a few things whilst I have the ear atleast a few folks.

There once was a program called oddcast, and then edcast that you
could use on linux to broadcast an OggFLAC encoded audio stream from
jack. Sounds like something many folks would be interested in doing,
but I haven't heard to much of a peep about it. At any rate, it had a
a few issues legally and technical problems broadcasting an OggFLAC
stream ( again related to periods of silence in the stream). So edcast
is officialy dead now.

But now it is an undead zombie! I talked to the original developer (
Ed ), then removed the legally questionable parts (and windows
support), and fixed some issues with vorbis and oggflac encoding, and
I even added support for 24bit flac. I'm probably the only guy in the
universe listening to streaming 24bit audio, but if anyone wants to
join me the code is located here:
https://github.com/oneman/edcast2_jack

Cheers,

-D


On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 4:19 PM, David Richards <rawdod at gmail.com>
wrote:
> I might be able to look into this soon, I actually got my mother a
> squeezebox boom for xmas, but I have no experience with the device,
> other than initial set up and hearing it go. My choice of the word
> "useless" was deliberate to get folks rawled up, and it worked!
:D It
> doesn't make it entirely useless, just unreliable and inconsistent. If
> they are using the code from the main flac branch unmodified then I'm
> sure the device is hitting these bugs. There is different bugs in the
> encoding and decoding side of things, and also in the ogg packaging
> layer. All of this is related to periods of silence in the stream of
> sound.
>
> -D
>
> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Paul Davis <paul at
linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 3:56 PM, David Richards <rawdod at
gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Its really sad to hear thats happening but even more sad is the
fact
>>> that flac is becoming a very common format for music on the
interweb
>>> whilst at the same time the development has ceased. I've found
some
>>> severe issues with OggFLAC that essentially make it a useless
format
>>> for streaming, no one cared.
>>
>> could have fooled slimdevices/logitech, which sends FLAC to all their
boxes.
>>
>