I've waited about two years to write this mail... :)
As of Dezember, 24th Mozilla Thunderbird can handle SPECIAL-USE. The patch,
which adds the required functionality, has passed review and TBs nightly build
was successful. The next official Thunderbird release (version 38, release
date 2015-05-19) will very likely ship SPECIAL-USE included. \o/
SPECIAL USE is an IMAP extension. It means less mailbox chaos for admins. But
more than that it means less configuration work and easier orientation for end
users.
If IMAP server and client are capable of SPECIAL-USE [1] the server may tell
the client some of the folders (Inbox, Drafts, Sent, Trash etc.) are reserved
for SPECIAL-USE.
Any client, capable of SPECIAL-USE, may adapts its local folders to the
servers view. It may map e.g. "Sent Items" to "Sent",
"Deleted Items" to
"Trassh" etc. pp. All this takes place automatically. No more user
interaction. No more locale problems.
When all components - server, desktop-, webmail-, and mobile client - can
handle SPECIAL-USE live becomes easier. Clients don't create their own
'special folders'. They understand special folders already exist and
adapt. No
more superfluous ambiguous folders. Users will know where their messages have
been stored.
Note: Combined with automx [2] users will only have to enter their
realname, mail address and (optional) password and their client will setup
all the rest automatically.
SPECIAL-USE started as a suggestion to friends at IETF. We sponsored its
implementation in Dovecot [3], when it had become a RFC standard. Then we took
out to bring it to Thunderbird.
This took use longer than expected. The moment we had begun to work on it,
Mozilla withdrew most people from the Thunderbird team and reassigned them to
Firefox OS. Things slowed down significantly and Microsoft Outlook became the
first mail client to adopt SPECIAL-USE. Two years later - together with Ben
Bucksch (Thunderbird developer) - we finally succeeded and it is about time to
close the RFE [4].
Nobody should have to spend more time than required to configure their client.
Everyone should be able to focus on their primary goal - communication via
mail.
We - sys4 and our business partner Becon - sponsored SPECIAL-USE. I hope
SPECIAL-USE will make your and your customers life easier. The patch just
became ready for x-mas. :)
p at rick
P.S.
Unpacking the gift will have to wait until 2015-05-19. ;)
[1] IMAP LIST Extension for Special-Use Mailboxes
<http://tools.ietf.org/rfc/rfc6154.txt>
[2] automx - mail setup made easy!
<https://automx.org/>
[3] Mailbox settings
http://wiki2.dovecot.org/MailboxSettings
[4] Bug 558659 - (RFC6154) Support IMAP LIST SPECIAL-USE (RFC 6154) to
autoconfigure Sent, Trash, Draft folders on IMAP servers
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=558659>
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Am 26.12.2014 um 23:39 schrieb Patrick Ben Koetter:> We - sys4 and our business partner Becon - sponsored SPECIAL-USE. I hope > SPECIAL-USE will make your and your customers life easier. The patch just > became ready for x-mas. :)Hi Patrick, many thanks for this feature in Thunderbird, a great X-MAS gift! It was one of the features I was missing in Thunderbird, and now (in a few month) we will finally have it! Thanks for your work! Another thing that I'm waiting for is IMAP NOTIFY support (RFC 5465 [1]). It's already in Bugzilla since 5 years [2], and I hope someone will work on it in the near future, because it will reduce the amount of IMAP connections to servers a lot (instead of 5+ Thunderbird IMAP connections just 1). Dovecot (of cause) supports IMAP NOTIFY, but no client I'm aware of uses it. Do you have plans which Thunderbird feature to work on next? Maybe it makes sense to find some people for sponsoring, so more useful features get implemented in clients like Thunderbird? That would help all of us mailserver administrators. Thanks for your work! Michael [1] http://tools.ietf.org/rfc/rfc5465.txt [2] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=479133
Am 26.12.2014 um 23:39 schrieb Patrick Ben Koetter:> I've waited about two years to write this mail... :) > > As of Dezember, 24th Mozilla Thunderbird can handle SPECIAL-USE. The patch, > which adds the required functionality, has passed review and TBs nightly build > was successful. The next official Thunderbird release (version 38, release > date 2015-05-19) will very likely ship SPECIAL-USE included. \o/ > > SPECIAL USE is an IMAP extension. It means less mailbox chaos for admins. But > more than that it means less configuration work and easier orientation for end > users. > > If IMAP server and client are capable of SPECIAL-USE [1] the server may tell > the client some of the folders (Inbox, Drafts, Sent, Trash etc.) are reserved > for SPECIAL-USE. > > Any client, capable of SPECIAL-USE, may adapts its local folders to the > servers view. It may map e.g. "Sent Items" to "Sent", "Deleted Items" to > "Trassh" etc. pp. All this takes place automatically. No more user > interaction. No more locale problems. > > When all components - server, desktop-, webmail-, and mobile client - can > handle SPECIAL-USE live becomes easier. Clients don't create their own > 'special folders'. They understand special folders already exist and adapt. No > more superfluous ambiguous folders. Users will know where their messages have > been stored. > > Note: Combined with automx [2] users will only have to enter their > realname, mail address and (optional) password and their client will setup > all the rest automatically. > > SPECIAL-USE started as a suggestion to friends at IETF. We sponsored its > implementation in Dovecot [3], when it had become a RFC standard. Then we took > out to bring it to Thunderbird. > > This took use longer than expected. The moment we had begun to work on it, > Mozilla withdrew most people from the Thunderbird team and reassigned them to > Firefox OS. Things slowed down significantly and Microsoft Outlook became the > first mail client to adopt SPECIAL-USE. Two years later - together with Ben > Bucksch (Thunderbird developer) - we finally succeeded and it is about time to > close the RFE [4]. > > Nobody should have to spend more time than required to configure their client. > Everyone should be able to focus on their primary goal - communication via > mail. > > We - sys4 and our business partner Becon - sponsored SPECIAL-USE. I hope > SPECIAL-USE will make your and your customers life easier. The patch just > became ready for x-mas. :) > > > p at rick > > > P.S. > Unpacking the gift will have to wait until 2015-05-19. ;) > > > [1] IMAP LIST Extension for Special-Use Mailboxes > <http://tools.ietf.org/rfc/rfc6154.txt> > > [2] automx - mail setup made easy! > <https://automx.org/> > > [3] Mailbox settings > http://wiki2.dovecot.org/MailboxSettings > > [4] Bug 558659 - (RFC6154) Support IMAP LIST SPECIAL-USE (RFC 6154) to > autoconfigure Sent, Trash, Draft folders on IMAP servers > <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=558659> >Many thx, long awaited feature. So lets party as its done now ! Best Regards MfG Robert Schetterer -- [*] sys4 AG http://sys4.de, +49 (89) 30 90 46 64 Franziskanerstra?e 15, 81669 M?nchen Sitz der Gesellschaft: M?nchen, Amtsgericht M?nchen: HRB 199263 Vorstand: Patrick Ben Koetter, Marc Schiffbauer Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Florian Kirstein
On 26-12-2014 23:39, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote:> They understand special folders already exist and *adapt*.I think i have heard a similar phrase somewhere before ... ;-)
Am 26.12.2014 um 22:39 schrieb Patrick Ben Koetter:> As of Dezember, 24th Mozilla Thunderbird can handle SPECIAL-USE. The patch, > which adds the required functionality, has passed review and TBs nightly build > was successful. The next official Thunderbird release (version 38, release > date 2015-05-19) will very likely ship SPECIAL-USE included. \o/Nice! Many thanks!