dovecot - Nov 2014 - Outlook Express and STARTTLS

Am 21.11.2014 um 22:29 schrieb Reindl Harald:
> 
> Am 21.11.2014 um 22:24 schrieb Robert Schetterer:
>> Am 21.11.2014 um 20:59 schrieb Robert Moskowitz:
>>> I have one user that uses Outlook Express.   Not only do I not use
it, I
>>> don't have any systems here that can easily use it.  I bit of a
>>> challenge.
>>>
>>> I am strictly enforcing STARTTLS or TLS for SMTP/POP3/IMAP
connections.
>>>
>>> SO far a google search has not shown me how to configure this for a
>>> user.  Anyone have a pointer to instructions so I can talk the
person
>>> through the changes?
>>
>> you shouldnt support outdated stuff
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlook_Express
>>
>> Included with     Windows 98, Windows Me, Windows 2000, Windows XP,
>> Windows
>> Server 2003
> 
> the situation for Outlook (not OE) and TLS is not much better
> 
> some versions support STARTTLS on SMTP but not for IMAP/POP3 and "you
> shouldnt support" is not that easy to do - if i could i would shut
down
> so much outdated clients while i can't in case of business customers
> having other business companies as their customers
> 
yes i know that problem, but outdated os may hacked anytime and then it
will not be a client/user problem only


Best Regards
MfG Robert Schetterer

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On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 07:17:02 +0100, Robert Schetterer stated:
>Am 21.11.2014 um 22:29 schrieb Reindl Harald:
>> 
>> Am 21.11.2014 um 22:24 schrieb Robert Schetterer:
>>> Am 21.11.2014 um 20:59 schrieb Robert Moskowitz:
>>>> I have one user that uses Outlook Express.   Not only do I not
use it, I
>>>> don't have any systems here that can easily use it.  I bit
of a
>>>> challenge.
>>>>
>>>> I am strictly enforcing STARTTLS or TLS for SMTP/POP3/IMAP
connections.
>>>>
>>>> SO far a google search has not shown me how to configure this
for a
>>>> user.  Anyone have a pointer to instructions so I can talk the
person
>>>> through the changes?
>>>
>>> you shouldnt support outdated stuff
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlook_Express
>>>
>>> Included with     Windows 98, Windows Me, Windows 2000, Windows XP,
>>> Windows
>>> Server 2003
>> 
>> the situation for Outlook (not OE) and TLS is not much better
>> 
>> some versions support STARTTLS on SMTP but not for IMAP/POP3 and
"you
>> shouldnt support" is not that easy to do - if i could i would shut
down
>> so much outdated clients while i can't in case of business
customers
>> having other business companies as their customers
>> 
>
>yes i know that problem, but outdated os may hacked anytime and then it
>will not be a client/user problem only
You can always post a suggestion to Microsoft here. I do it all the all the
time.

http://mymfe.microsoft.com/Office/feedback.aspx?formID=375

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Jerry
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On 11/22/2014 01:17 AM, Robert Schetterer wrote:
> Am 21.11.2014 um 22:29 schrieb Reindl Harald:
>> Am 21.11.2014 um 22:24 schrieb Robert Schetterer:
>>> Am 21.11.2014 um 20:59 schrieb Robert Moskowitz:
>>>> I have one user that uses Outlook Express.   Not only do I not
use it, I
>>>> don't have any systems here that can easily use it.  I bit
of a
>>>> challenge.
>>>>
>>>> I am strictly enforcing STARTTLS or TLS for SMTP/POP3/IMAP
connections.
>>>>
>>>> SO far a google search has not shown me how to configure this
for a
>>>> user.  Anyone have a pointer to instructions so I can talk the
person
>>>> through the changes?
>>> you shouldnt support outdated stuff
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlook_Express
>>>
>>> Included with     Windows 98, Windows Me, Windows 2000, Windows XP,
>>> Windows
>>> Server 2003
>> the situation for Outlook (not OE) and TLS is not much better
>>
>> some versions support STARTTLS on SMTP but not for IMAP/POP3 and
"you
>> shouldnt support" is not that easy to do - if i could i would shut
down
>> so much outdated clients while i can't in case of business
customers
>> having other business companies as their customers
>>
> yes i know that problem, but outdated os may hacked anytime and then it
> will not be a client/user problem only
I have one user that I have to deal with this, and I will probably have 
them come over so I can 'fix' their notebook, and see what I might do.  
Thing is this is a charity organization where we do things for them 
because.  So whatever old notebook they have, I have to support what it 
can do.

Am 23.11.2014 um 03:17 schrieb Robert Moskowitz:
> 
> On 11/22/2014 01:17 AM, Robert Schetterer wrote:
>> Am 21.11.2014 um 22:29 schrieb Reindl Harald:
>>> Am 21.11.2014 um 22:24 schrieb Robert Schetterer:
>>>> Am 21.11.2014 um 20:59 schrieb Robert Moskowitz:
>>>>> I have one user that uses Outlook Express.   Not only do I
not use
>>>>> it, I
>>>>> don't have any systems here that can easily use it.  I
bit of a
>>>>> challenge.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am strictly enforcing STARTTLS or TLS for SMTP/POP3/IMAP
>>>>> connections.
>>>>>
>>>>> SO far a google search has not shown me how to configure
this for a
>>>>> user.  Anyone have a pointer to instructions so I can talk
the person
>>>>> through the changes?
>>>> you shouldnt support outdated stuff
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlook_Express
>>>>
>>>> Included with     Windows 98, Windows Me, Windows 2000, Windows
XP,
>>>> Windows
>>>> Server 2003
>>> the situation for Outlook (not OE) and TLS is not much better
>>>
>>> some versions support STARTTLS on SMTP but not for IMAP/POP3 and
"you
>>> shouldnt support" is not that easy to do - if i could i would
shut down
>>> so much outdated clients while i can't in case of business
customers
>>> having other business companies as their customers
>>>
>> yes i know that problem, but outdated os may hacked anytime and then it
>> will not be a client/user problem only
> 
> I have one user that I have to deal with this, and I will probably have
> them come over so I can 'fix' their notebook, and see what I might
do.
> Thing is this is a charity organization where we do things for them
> because.  So whatever old notebook they have, I have to support what it
> can do.
Its your policy, but if you have webmail, the user may use this, no need
to support outdated clients
> 
> 


Best Regards
MfG Robert Schetterer

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