dovecot - Feb 2013 - Sieve filters on folders, different from INBOX

Hi all

Is it possible to configure Dovecot's sieve plugin to act on message
arrival to folders, other than INBOX? 
I wish to move messages fetched by pop3 fetcher to special folder, or sort
outgoing mail to folders, specific
to their recipients.

Thanhs in advance,

WBR,
valery

Am 26.02.2013 14:20, schrieb Valery V. Sedletski:
> Hi all
> 
> Is it possible to configure Dovecot's sieve plugin to act on message
> arrival to folders, other than INBOX? 
sieve is invoked by lda or lmtp not "as arrive in inbox"

> I wish to move messages fetched by pop3 fetcher to special folder, or sort
if you use i.e getmail and maildir it may possible

look

http://pyropus.ca/software/getmail/getmailrc-examples
> outgoing mail to folders, specific
outgoing mail is smtp, with i.e imap copy to sent folder etc
if you want other folders your imap client should do it


try i.e

https://addons.mozilla.org/de/thunderbird/addon/send-filter/?src=search

> to their recipients.
> 
> Thanhs in advance,
i guess what you want in gneral ,is more advanced ( new ) handling
of mail workflow at all, look at list archives for more info on
some stuff you asked, some may work in the future with new features in
imap and sieve, but meanwhile you have to workaround
> 
> WBR,
> valery
> 
> 
> 


Best Regards
MfG Robert Schetterer

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>---- Original Message ----
>From: Robert Schetterer <rs at sys4.de>
>To: dovecot at dovecot.org
>Sent: ??, ??? 26, 2013, 5:55 PM
>Subject: Re: [Dovecot] Sieve filters on folders, different from INBOX
>
>Am 26.02.2013 14:20, schrieb Valery V. Sedletski:
>> Hi all
>> 
>> Is it possible to configure Dovecot's sieve plugin to act on
message
>> arrival to folders, other than INBOX? 
>
>sieve is invoked by lda or lmtp not "as arrive in inbox"
>
>
>> I wish to move messages fetched by pop3 fetcher to special folder, or
sort
>
>if you use i.e getmail and maildir it may possible
>
>look
>
>http://pyropus.ca/software/getmail/getmailrc-examples
I use mpop with a shell wrapper script. The fetcher is working on IMAP server
side (not on user
side, as usual). So, it is used to pull email from several POP3 servers to our
IMAP server. The mail is
stored in Maildir++ format. Yes, it is possible to configure fetcher to sort
messages to folders by its own means,
but I'd like to implement the mail sorting by means of Sieve filters. The
user can easy configure
filters in webmail interface, then it work with any IMAP client, because it is
done on IMAP server side.

So, if sieve is invoked by lda, then, probably, I could invoke dovecot-lda from
wrapper script on each mail
after it is fetched? But then it will be copied to INBOX... -- Is it possible to
specify the other folder to deliver to,
to the deliver program?
>
>> outgoing mail to folders, specific
>
>outgoing mail is smtp, with i.e imap copy to sent folder etc
>if you want other folders your imap client should do it
>
So, I can invoke Sieve interpreter from SMTP server, or process it via
dovecot-lda, like in fetcher case?
>
>try i.e
>
>https://addons.mozilla.org/de/thunderbird/addon/send-filter/?src=search
>
>
>> to their recipients.
>> 
>> Thanhs in advance,
>
>i guess what you want in gneral ,is more advanced ( new ) handling
>of mail workflow at all, look at list archives for more info on
>some stuff you asked, some may work in the future with new features in
>imap and sieve, but meanwhile you have to workaround
>
I used such features with my old POP3 client (it was the good old PMMail in
OS/2). But it
worked on POP3 client side, with local folders. It seemed to be not very
advanced, but I just
got a case to implement the same with Dovecot and Exim :)
>> 
>> WBR,
>> valery
>> 
>> 
>> 
>
>
>
>Best Regards
>MfG Robert Schetterer
>
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>
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>
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>Vorstand: Patrick Ben Koetter, Axel von der Ohe, Marc Schiffbauer
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>> 
>> So, if sieve is invoked by lda, then, probably, I could invoke
dovecot-lda from wrapper script on each mail
>> after it is fetched? 
>
>with getmail
>
>[destination]
>type = MDA_external
>path = /usr/lib/dovecot/deliver
>
>But then it will be copied to INBOX... -- Is it possible to specify the
>other folder to deliver to,
>> to the deliver program?
>
>the sieve filter invoked bx deliver does it, i.e rule
>
>if header :contains ...  fileinto :create "folder"
>
>or whatever
>
Ah, yes. Really, I looked to mpop options, it can call various LDA's. And,
dovecot-lda has "-m" parameter,
which allows to specify the mailbox name. So, I can deliver the mail arrived by
fetcher, via dovecot-lda,
and Sieve filters will work. Also, as a bonus, delivering mail via LDA will
correctly update user quotas -- the
problem which resolved by itself :) Great :)
>> 
>>>
>>>> outgoing mail to folders, specific
>>>
>>> outgoing mail is smtp, with i.e imap copy to sent folder etc
>>> if you want other folders your imap client should do it
>>>
>> 
>> So, I can invoke Sieve interpreter from SMTP server, or process it via
dovecot-lda, like in fetcher case?
>
>in general ,i dont think so , there may be some workaround with server
>bcc_copy and i.e plus adressing with sieve then for "sent" mail
>
Yes, this is a variant. But what if I modify the Dovecot post-login script (a
wrapper for IMAP process), or
add the sieve plugin to protocol "imap {mail_plugins = ...}" ? Will it
be invoked on each operation with
mailboxes?
>> 
>>>
>>> try i.e
>>>
>>>
https://addons.mozilla.org/de/thunderbird/addon/send-filter/?src=search
>>>
>>>
>>>> to their recipients.
WBR,
valery

Am 27.02.2013 14:56, schrieb Valery V. Sedletski:
> Yes, this is a variant. But what if I modify the Dovecot post-login script
(a wrapper for IMAP process), or
> add the sieve plugin to protocol "imap {mail_plugins = ...}" ?
Will it be invoked on each operation with
> mailboxes?
to my knowledge this will not work, and if will by like server/service
overkill ,sieve at "send" stage maybe able in the future, meanwhile
you
have to workaround it, bc_copy in mailserver and plus-addressing might
solve what you want, or as some plugin in the imap client ( thunderbird )

if list people would have other solutions, i would lucky to read


Best Regards
MfG Robert Schetterer

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