I'm getting tired of Thunderbird telling me I have unread messages in folders that haven't gotten new messages for months so I'm looking for a new mail client. I know the problem lies with Thunderbird because everything is fine via RoundCube and if it tell Thunderbird to rebuild it's index it shows the folder correctly again. Except of course for a subset of the messages in my inbox that it insists where delivered at the exact time I re-indexed it, every time. So what IMAP clients do people prefer these days? Preferably windows or cross platform and it needs to have decent key bindings because (probably like many of you) I get 100s of emails a day via lists and anything that speeds my way through them is good. I run my own server (probably obvious being on this list) and can install webmail clients as well. I ran squirrelmail for a while but although functional it's quite dated. I'm using RoundCube for access away from my systems now but it lacks keyboard shortcut support and trying to click one email after another with a laptop touchpad gets painful fast. Thanks, Jonathan
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On Fri, 20 Nov 2009, Jonathan wrote:> So what IMAP clients do people prefer these days? Preferably windows or cross > platform and it needs to have decent key bindings because (probably like many > of you) I get 100s of emails a day via lists and anything that speeds my way > through them is good.I would recommend mutt and alpine. They both works well with dovecot. Mutt is more powerfull and configurable (after learning how to set it up); alpine is more straightforward at first. -- Nicolas
Jonathan wrote:> So what IMAP clients do people prefer these days? Preferably windows or > cross platform and it needs to have decent key bindings...Have you tried the new Thunderbird 3 beta? There was a thread on this list recently about it. It has a lot of IMAP improvements. Sylpheed has a new beta out as well with improved IMAP support. (Sylpheed runs on Windows and Linux, I wish it ran on Macs). j
Jonathan <jonathan at kc8onw.net> writes: Hi Jonathan!> So what IMAP clients do people prefer these days?I use Gnus [1], the version that is included in Emacs 23.> Preferably windows or cross platform and it needs to have decent key > bindings because (probably like many of you) I get 100s of emails a > day via lists and anything that speeds my way through them is good.Gnus has those, but far more important to good key bindings is good scoring mechanisms. I also get more than 200 messages from several lists, but three quarters of them are not interesting to me and already scored down by Gnus. Because I sort threads by score and use different fonts for different scores, the important ones are easily visible. Bye, Tassilo __________ [1] http://www.gnus.org
On 11/20/2009 12:59 PM, Jonathan wrote:> I'm getting tired of Thunderbird telling me I have unread messages in > folders that haven't gotten new messages for months so I'm looking for a > new mail client. I know the problem lies with Thunderbird because > everything is fine via RoundCube and if it tell Thunderbird to rebuild > it's index it shows the folder correctly again. Except of course for a > subset of the messages in my inbox that it insists where delivered at > the exact time I re-indexed it, every time.What IMAP server? We have been using Thunderbird for about 8 years on 60+ computers since about version 0.8, and have *never* had a *recurring* problem like that. Of course there have been the occasional time I had to delete the folders and let TBird redownload everything and rebuild the indexes, but never, ever has there been a recurring problem... Methinks there is something else going on, it is not thunderbird per se (yes, I understand you are only seeing this when using TBird). I can't wait for TBird 3 for all of the IMAP improvements...
Personally, I am using Horde (http://www.horde.org/) at work (this address) and Outlook 2007 at home (largely due to getting freaky attachments I need to open on a regular basis that only Microsoft mail clients seem to be able to open properly). Horde is a webmail client, and works well in Firefox (where you can open the left hand menu in a sidebar separate from your tabs). I install it with the calendar, notes, tasks, etc included and we tell our users to log into it in order to change their passwords. Thomas Berezansky Merrimack Valley Library Consortium Quoting Jonathan <jonathan at kc8onw.net>:> I'm getting tired of Thunderbird telling me I have unread messages > in folders that haven't gotten new messages for months so I'm > looking for a new mail client. I know the problem lies with > Thunderbird because everything is fine via RoundCube and if it tell > Thunderbird to rebuild it's index it shows the folder correctly > again. Except of course for a subset of the messages in my inbox > that it insists where delivered at the exact time I re-indexed it, > every time. > > So what IMAP clients do people prefer these days? Preferably > windows or cross platform and it needs to have decent key bindings > because (probably like many of you) I get 100s of emails a day via > lists and anything that speeds my way through them is good. > > I run my own server (probably obvious being on this list) and can > install webmail clients as well. I ran squirrelmail for a while but > although functional it's quite dated. I'm using RoundCube for > access away from my systems now but it lacks keyboard shortcut > support and trying to click one email after another with a laptop > touchpad gets painful fast. > > Thanks, > Jonathan >
On 11/20/2009, Charles Marcus (CMarcus at Media-Brokers.com) wrote:> What IMAP server?heh... dumb question, huh... dovecot -n output?
On November 20, 2009 12:59:48 PM -0500 Jonathan <jonathan at kc8onw.net> wrote:> So what IMAP clients do people prefer these days? Preferably windows or > cross platform and it needs to have decent key bindings because (probably > like many of you) I get 100s of emails a day via lists and anything that > speeds my way through them is good.You simply cannot beat gnus for configurability, functionality and raw power. But you have to be pretty dedicated to get it configured at all, much less customized to your preferences. I like Mulberry as a GUI client. It works on Mac Windows and Linux/Unix. -frank
I lost the thread on the Sylpheed suggestion so I am replying here to let everyone know that installing (dead easy) and using (even easier) Sylpheed on my Windows XP netbook solved all of what I thought were Dovecot/IMAP problems. Apologies to Timo for the unnecessary complaints about non-existent problems. Both Dovecot and Sylpheed out-of-the-box will work without a lot of config if any at all. --David. On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:05:08 -0500 Frank Cusack <fcusack at fcusack.com> wrote:> On November 20, 2009 12:59:48 PM -0500 Jonathan <jonathan at kc8onw.net> wrote: > > So what IMAP clients do people prefer these days? Preferably windows or > > cross platform and it needs to have decent key bindings because (probably > > like many of you) I get 100s of emails a day via lists and anything that > > speeds my way through them is good. > > You simply cannot beat gnus for configurability, functionality and raw > power. But you have to be pretty dedicated to get it configured at all, > much less customized to your preferences. > > I like Mulberry as a GUI client. It works on Mac Windows and Linux/Unix. > > -frank-- David Brown <david at davidwbrown.name>
Hi Jonathan,> I'm getting tired of Thunderbird telling me I have unread messages in > folders that haven't gotten new messages for months so I'm looking for a > new mail client. [..]Yes, it's a Thunderbird issue only. Usually that appears when you don't compact your folders (you can ask TB to compact by itself as well). 90% of the time when you have weird stuff in your folders that's because you didn't compact your folders. http://kb.mozillazine.org/Duplicate_messages_received http://kb.mozillazine.org/Thunderbird_:_Tips_:_Compacting_Folders Cheers, Thomas
On 11/20/2009 12:59 PM, Jonathan wrote:> I'm getting tired of Thunderbird telling me I have unread messages in > folders that haven't gotten new messages for months so I'm looking for a > new mail client. I know the problem lies with Thunderbird because > everything is fine via RoundCube and if it tell Thunderbird to rebuild > it's index it shows the folder correctly again. Except of course for a > subset of the messages in my inbox that it insists where delivered at > the exact time I re-indexed it, every time.I'm currently testing out the Thunderbird 3.0 release candidates... overall, it's better then TB 2 was at IMAP. Overall, I'm pretty happy with version 3 and how it deals with my multi-gigabyte IMAP mailboxes with dozens of folders. Stability seems to be better then it was in TB v2 in terms of indexing and downloading messages. (That comes with a huge caveat, however. Beta 4 introduced some rather severe bugs in IMAP performance which have yet to be fixed as of RC1 build #2. I'm hoping that this coming week there will be another more stable build.)
On 11/21/2009 9:15 PM, Thomas wrote:> Re, > >> As someone else noted it may be related to the amount of email I have. >> I probably have nearly 100,000 messages spread across 30-40 folders >> right now. > Close TB. Delete your .msf to recreate indexes. Start TB again and let > it re-index (it will take a while). Then everything should be fine. If > not do a bug report.MSF files deleted. The problem occurs pretty randomly so it will be a few days to a week before I know whether that fixed it. Do you know anything about the date issue I mentioned where TB shows emails with a date of the last time the folder was indexed instead of when the email was actually delivered? Thanks, Jonathan
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On 11/21/2009, Jonathan (jonathan at kc8onw.net) wrote:> Do you know anything about the date issue I mentioned where TB shows > emails with a date of the last time the folder was indexed instead of > when the email was actually delivered?I missed that... but if that is occurring, then it seems like something else is going on. Thunderbird does NOT modify the messages - headers or body - on the server, it simply displays what is there. Sometimes the local cache can get out of whack, which is fixed by deleting the .msf (local indexes) and letting TBird rebuild them from scratch.