> Andrew Holway wrote: >> I just realised that I haven't touched a centos/redhat machine in more >> than a couple of years. Everything I do now is Kubernetes based or using >> cloud services (or k8s cloud services). >> >> What about it listeroons? Is your fleet of centos boxes ever expanding >> or >> are you just taking care of a single java 6 jboss application that >> takes >> care of the companies widget stocks? >> >> How are your jobs changing? > > Nope. Well... actually, my manager's talking about Ubuntu or maybe even > FreeBSD. He's *extremely* upset with RH being so slow - 8 should have been > out for some time, for one, and a lot of 7, even with SCL, is far behind, > and our researchers want newer software.Maybe you should try to explain to your manager why RHEL/CentOS exist and why it's widely used in the corporate world. If he talks about Ubuntu then you could explain to him what Fedora is any why and how it differs from RHEL/CentOS. Of course, managers do not always listen to those who do the real work. Regards, Simon
> Maybe you should try to explain to your manager why RHEL/CentOS exist and > why it's widely used in the corporate world. If he talks about Ubuntu then > you could explain to him what Fedora is any why and how it differs from > RHEL/CentOS. >I'm not really sure that the reasons for Rhel really exist anymore. The oft quoted Library stabilty is more of a hindrance than a help in modern development environments with well operating CI. When the dinosaur IBM bought RH it was clear that it had become a fossil. Of course there is still legacy applications that need that but I see a definite shift away from OS dependant monoliths even in the more traditional enterprises> >
Simon Matter via CentOS wrote:>> Andrew Holway wrote: >> >>> I just realised that I haven't touched a centos/redhat machine in >>> more than a couple of years. Everything I do now is Kubernetes based >>> or using cloud services (or k8s cloud services). >>> >>> What about it listeroons? Is your fleet of centos boxes ever >>> expanding or are you just taking care of a single java 6 jboss >>> application that takes care of the companies widget stocks? >>> >>> How are your jobs changing? >> >> Nope. Well... actually, my manager's talking about Ubuntu or maybe even >> FreeBSD. He's *extremely* upset with RH being so slow - 8 should have >> been out for some time, for one, and a lot of 7, even with SCL, is far >> behind, and our researchers want newer software. > > Maybe you should try to explain to your manager why RHEL/CentOS exist and > why it's widely used in the corporate world. If he talks about Ubuntu > then you could explain to him what Fedora is any why and how it differs > from RHEL/CentOS. > > Of course, managers do not always listen to those who do the real work.Bad assumption, in this case. My manager is also a sr. sysadmin. He pushed CentOS a long time ago - we were running 5 when I got here, almost 10 years ago. But the folks we support keep wanting to run software that uses much newer PHP, and Python, and stuff from newer kernels. For example, allegedly (don't know for sure), some version of Ubuntu supports CUDA out of the box, as opposed to the mess I have to go through getting it and updating it from NVidia. mark
Another point is that Ubuntu is not just a Fedora alternative, they have a long-term support option known as LTS - all the even numbered releases: 14.04 (at EOL), 16.04, 18.04 (latest). I have heard that for 18.04 forward, they are going to a 10-year support model. For a Fedora alternative the odd-numbered releases should be used. ________________________________ From: CentOS <centos-bounces at centos.org> on behalf of Andrew Holway <andrew.holway at gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 12:08:14 PM To: Simon Matter; centos Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [CentOS] Are linux distros redundant?> Maybe you should try to explain to your manager why RHEL/CentOS exist and > why it's widely used in the corporate world. If he talks about Ubuntu then > you could explain to him what Fedora is any why and how it differs from > RHEL/CentOS. >I'm not really sure that the reasons for Rhel really exist anymore. The oft quoted Library stabilty is more of a hindrance than a help in modern development environments with well operating CI. When the dinosaur IBM bought RH it was clear that it had become a fossil. Of course there is still legacy applications that need that but I see a definite shift away from OS dependant monoliths even in the more traditional enterprises> >_______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS at centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos Harriscomputer Leroy Tennison Network Information/Cyber Security Specialist E: leroy at datavoiceint.com [cid:Data-Voice-International-LOGO_aa3d1c6e-5cfb-451f-ba2c-af8059e69609.PNG] 2220 Bush Dr McKinney, Texas 75070 www.datavoiceint.com<http://www..com> This message has been sent on behalf of a company that is part of the Harris Operating Group of Constellation Software Inc. These companies are listed here<http://subscribe.harriscomputer.com/>. If you prefer not to be contacted by Harris Operating Group please notify us<http://subscribe.harriscomputer.com/>. This message is intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This communication may contain information that is proprietary, privileged or confidential or otherwise legally exempt from disclosure. If you are not the named addressee, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy or disseminate this message or any part of it. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and delete all copies of the message.
Simon Matter via CentOS wrote:>> Andrew Holway wrote: >> >>> I just realised that I haven't touched a centos/redhat machine in >>> more than a couple of years. Everything I do now is Kubernetes based >>> or using cloud services (or k8s cloud services). >>> >>> What about it listeroons? Is your fleet of centos boxes ever >>> expanding or are you just taking care of a single java 6 jboss >>> application that takes care of the companies widget stocks? >>> >>> How are your jobs changing? >>> >> >> Nope. Well... actually, my manager's talking about Ubuntu or maybe even >> FreeBSD. He's *extremely* upset with RH being so slow - 8 should have >> been out for some time, for one, and a lot of 7, even with SCL, is far >> behind, and our researchers want newer software. > > Maybe you should try to explain to your manager why RHEL/CentOS exist and > why it's widely used in the corporate world. If he talks about Ubuntu > then you could explain to him what Fedora is any why and how it differs > from RHEL/CentOS.Btw, right now, we've just built a new server as Ubuntu, because my manager wants to use it to test zfs, including its ability to a) act as a RAID, directly, without an underlying RAID, and b) encrypt the whole thing natively. mark
> > Btw, right now, we've just built a new server as Ubuntu, because my > manager wants to use it to test zfs, including its ability to a) act as a > RAID, directly, without an underlying RAID, and b) encrypt the whole thing > natively. >ZFS on linux was originally an EL project. Ubuntu support came later.