CentOS - Aug 2017 - Fedora bugs and EOL [was Re: CentOS users: please try and provide feedback on Fedora] Boltron

> On Jul 28, 2017, at 1:56 PM, hw <hw at gc-24.de> wrote:
> 
>> Many bugs are fixed in Fedora. Many more bugs are fixed in the
>> upstreams. Please remember that Fedora is primarily an *integration*
>> project, and the best way to get bugs fixed is for the developers of
>> the code in question to be involved. Many Fedora maintainers help
>> facilitate this for users, which is awesome, but the sheer number of
>> bugs exceeds what even our large contributor community can address.
> 
> Contributions are usually not wanted, despite what all projects tell
> you.  I have given up trying to make any and keep things to myself
> instead.
With that attitude, nothing would ever be fixed.  I understand you are
frustrated, but feedback and bug reports are one of the best way to help open
source projects.


--
Jonathan Billings <billings at negate.org>

Jonathan Billings wrote:
>
>> On Jul 28, 2017, at 1:56 PM, hw <hw at gc-24.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Many bugs are fixed in Fedora. Many more bugs are fixed in the
>>> upstreams. Please remember that Fedora is primarily an
*integration*
>>> project, and the best way to get bugs fixed is for the developers
of
>>> the code in question to be involved. Many Fedora maintainers help
>>> facilitate this for users, which is awesome, but the sheer number
of
>>> bugs exceeds what even our large contributor community can address.
>>
>> Contributions are usually not wanted, despite what all projects tell
>> you.  I have given up trying to make any and keep things to myself
>> instead.
>
> With that attitude, nothing would ever be fixed.  I understand you are
frustrated, but feedback and bug reports are one of the best way to help open
source projects.
That?s what I thought, and it may still be true.  Unfortunately, feedback,
bug reports and even fixes and improvements experience so much unkindness
or ignorance in their reception that I?m better off finding a different
solution or fixing the bug myself, with very few exceptions.

IIRC, Matthew who started this thread gave an overly perfect example of,
mildly said, unkindness, on the Fedora mailing list.  All the more it is
surprising to see him asking for feedback yet again after he made clear
that feedback is genuinely not wanted, and even employed fashist methods
to supress it when he received feedback he didn?t like.

Just wait and see how he will like the feedback he?s getting here ...

On Wed, 2 Aug 2017, hw wrote:
> That?s what I thought, and it may still be true.  Unfortunately, feedback,
> bug reports and even fixes and improvements experience so much unkindness
> or ignorance in their reception that I?m better off finding a different
> solution or fixing the bug myself, with very few exceptions.
>
> IIRC, Matthew who started this thread gave an overly perfect example of,
> mildly said, unkindness, on the Fedora mailing list.  All the more it is
> surprising to see him asking for feedback yet again after he made clear
> that feedback is genuinely not wanted, and even employed fashist methods
> to supress it when he received feedback he didn?t like.
>
> Just wait and see how he will like the feedback he?s getting here ...
I've fed a mixture of rambling bug reports, relatively good bug reports, and
badly written patches to the SSSD developers.

One of them was to scratch an itch that was perculiar to me, but I made a
patch, a flimsy case, and had it accepted.  A short while later somebody
submitted another patch to resolve an issue with the patch I'd submitted,
which always makes you feel good about your handiwork.

Their general response to my queries and confusion has been to support me and
encourage me to test their latest code, ultimately to work with them by doing
testing and providing thorough logs to help them make their code better. 
I've
not got one negative word to say about them.

I'm not pretending every project is like that, but it's not just
monsters out
there.

jh

On Wed, Aug 02, 2017 at 02:04:54PM +0200, hw wrote:
> Just wait and see how he will like the feedback he?s getting here ...
Trolling aside (fascist? really?), I've gotten valuable feedback from
several people which I really appreciate. I intend to continue to
engage with the CentOS community, because when we work on big changes
in Fedora which may come to our downstream distributions, it's really
useful to have constructive feedback from serious users of those
distributions.

-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm at fedoraproject.org>
Fedora Project Leader