On Thu, 26 May 2016 08:00, James Hogarth wrote:> On 26 May 2016 00:57, "SternData" wrote: >> On 05/25/2016 06:43 PM, Always Learning wrote: >>> On Wed, 2016-05-25 at 22:32 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: >>> >>>> Also, yum had associations which it was sad to lose. >>> >>> Perhaps the Fedora ("We love consulting all affected users") replacement >>> could be named MUD. >>> >>> Now we await the System-D controlling interface ;-) >> >> There was much wailing and gnashing of teeth when these changes rolled >> into Fedora. After a while, I got used to it and now it seems normal. >> Plus, if you type "yum update" it responds "what your really should >> type is dnf update, but I'll do it for you anyway". > > There was a mail on the Fedora development list recently from one of the > internal Red Hat RHEL yum guys. > > It implied that in RHEL the command would remain yum and not change to dnf, > although the internals will no doubt do so at some point.Well, from what I've heard from some Red Hat RHEL Kernel guys, it will be likely in RHEL 8.x as default with a yum compat cli, but unlikely to get into RHEL 7.x as replacement for yum, and should stay confined to EPEL. The reason given was: "(DNF is) not quite Enterprise ready, yet. Lets look again during Fedora 25". - Yamaban.
On 05/26/2016 04:31 AM, Yamaban wrote:> On Thu, 26 May 2016 08:00, James Hogarth wrote: >> On 26 May 2016 00:57, "SternData" wrote: >>> On 05/25/2016 06:43 PM, Always Learning wrote: >>>> On Wed, 2016-05-25 at 22:32 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: >>>> >>>>> Also, yum had associations which it was sad to lose. >>>> >>>> Perhaps the Fedora ("We love consulting all affected users") >>>> replacement >>>> could be named MUD. >>>> >>>> Now we await the System-D controlling interface ;-) >>> >>> There was much wailing and gnashing of teeth when these changes >>> rolled into Fedora. After a while, I got used to it and now it seems >>> normal. Plus, if you type "yum update" it responds "what your really >>> should type is dnf update, but I'll do it for you anyway". >> >> There was a mail on the Fedora development list recently from one of the >> internal Red Hat RHEL yum guys. >> >> It implied that in RHEL the command would remain yum and not change to >> dnf, >> although the internals will no doubt do so at some point. > > Well, from what I've heard from some Red Hat RHEL Kernel guys, it will be > likely in RHEL 8.x as default with a yum compat cli, but unlikely to get > into RHEL 7.x as replacement for yum, and should stay confined to EPEL. > The reason given was: "(DNF is) not quite Enterprise ready, yet. Lets look > again during Fedora 25". >Based on previous RHEL history I would agree with Yamaban's take (probably in RHEL 8.x, likely not in RHEL 7). But Red Hat has been a bit less conservative with making changes to RHEL 7 than they were the previous version of RHEL. Still, for them to make a change there would need to be some driving force for that change (IMHO). For example, if there were new technology areas (containers, cloud) where dnf had major functionality advantages over yum, then they might consider a change. Otherwise, I just don't see it. But, I have been wrong before .. a lot .. so take that with a grain of salt :) Thanks, Johnny Hughes -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/attachments/20160526/a1ac8106/attachment-0001.sig>
On 26 May 2016 at 11:17, Johnny Hughes <johnny at centos.org> wrote:> On 05/26/2016 04:31 AM, Yamaban wrote: > > On Thu, 26 May 2016 08:00, James Hogarth wrote: > >> On 26 May 2016 00:57, "SternData" wrote: > >>> On 05/25/2016 06:43 PM, Always Learning wrote: > >>>> On Wed, 2016-05-25 at 22:32 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Also, yum had associations which it was sad to lose. > >>>> > >>>> Perhaps the Fedora ("We love consulting all affected users") > >>>> replacement > >>>> could be named MUD. > >>>> > >>>> Now we await the System-D controlling interface ;-) > >>> > >>> There was much wailing and gnashing of teeth when these changes > >>> rolled into Fedora. After a while, I got used to it and now it seems > >>> normal. Plus, if you type "yum update" it responds "what your really > >>> should type is dnf update, but I'll do it for you anyway". > >> > >> There was a mail on the Fedora development list recently from one of the > >> internal Red Hat RHEL yum guys. > >> > >> It implied that in RHEL the command would remain yum and not change to > >> dnf, > >> although the internals will no doubt do so at some point. > > > > Well, from what I've heard from some Red Hat RHEL Kernel guys, it will be > > likely in RHEL 8.x as default with a yum compat cli, but unlikely to get > > into RHEL 7.x as replacement for yum, and should stay confined to EPEL. > > The reason given was: "(DNF is) not quite Enterprise ready, yet. Lets > look > > again during Fedora 25". > > > > Based on previous RHEL history I would agree with Yamaban's take > (probably in RHEL 8.x, likely not in RHEL 7). But Red Hat has been a > bit less conservative with making changes to RHEL 7 than they were the > previous version of RHEL. > > Still, for them to make a change there would need to be some driving > force for that change (IMHO). For example, if there were new technology > areas (containers, cloud) where dnf had major functionality advantages > over yum, then they might consider a change. Otherwise, I just don't > see it. > > But, I have been wrong before .. a lot .. so take that with a grain of > salt :) > > >To make it clear here is the specific link on the fedora-devel archives discussing this: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel at lists.fedoraproject.org/message/ALJVP7YTSEPC4HNH6JSFMFM6MCUP5HAT/ "Currently we're slated to keep yum as the primary name/command for package management in RHEL. It may or may not be backed by dnf at some point; we're still looking at the pros & cons and how to bring better compatibility if we go down this path." So my expectation is that RHEL8 will use dnf internally but the interface will be called yum
On Thu, May 26, 2016 5:17 am, Johnny Hughes wrote:> On 05/26/2016 04:31 AM, Yamaban wrote: >> On Thu, 26 May 2016 08:00, James Hogarth wrote: >>> On 26 May 2016 00:57, "SternData" wrote: >>>> On 05/25/2016 06:43 PM, Always Learning wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 2016-05-25 at 22:32 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Also, yum had associations which it was sad to lose. >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps the Fedora ("We love consulting all affected users") >>>>> replacement >>>>> could be named MUD. >>>>> >>>>> Now we await the System-D controlling interface ;-) >>>> >>>> There was much wailing and gnashing of teeth when these changes >>>> rolled into Fedora. After a while, I got used to it and now it seems >>>> normal. Plus, if you type "yum update" it responds "what your really >>>> should type is dnf update, but I'll do it for you anyway". >>> >>> There was a mail on the Fedora development list recently from one of >>> the >>> internal Red Hat RHEL yum guys. >>> >>> It implied that in RHEL the command would remain yum and not change to >>> dnf, >>> although the internals will no doubt do so at some point. >> >> Well, from what I've heard from some Red Hat RHEL Kernel guys, it will >> be >> likely in RHEL 8.x as default with a yum compat cli, but unlikely to get >> into RHEL 7.x as replacement for yum, and should stay confined to EPEL. >> The reason given was: "(DNF is) not quite Enterprise ready, yet. Lets >> look >> again during Fedora 25". >> > > Based on previous RHEL history I would agree with Yamaban's take > (probably in RHEL 8.x, likely not in RHEL 7). But Red Hat has been a > bit less conservative with making changes to RHEL 7 than they were the > previous version of RHEL. > > Still, for them to make a change there would need to be some driving > force for that change (IMHO). For example, if there were new technology > areas (containers, cloud) where dnf had major functionality advantages > over yum, then they might consider a change. Otherwise, I just don't > see it.How about their recent agreements with Microsoft? That would be enogh driving force for them to account for all changes we observed so far IMHO (didn't look into dnf details so I exclude that for the moment from my comment...). Valeri> > But, I have been wrong before .. a lot .. so take that with a grain of > salt :) > > Thanks, > Johnny Hughes > > > > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++