I couldn't help but take notice at some of the responses that were coming in from when I was posting questions due to my ignorance of Linux. Some people were quick to help, some advanced users I am sure ignored me because im not worth their time, and then some other users tried to help but was unable to dumb their speech down to newb levels. However I am thankful that there is people here to help out. I am hoping someone with CentOS will take notice at my difficulty in finding the bloody manuals and will put a link for future newbs that says "Download Manuals Here". I also hope in the future if I have questions I will be able to get the answers I seek and those who helped me before will be able to help me again. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/attachments/20060411/56313e0a/attachment-0001.html>
On Tue, 2006-04-11 at 08:10 -0500, Chris Peikert wrote:> I couldn?t help but take notice at some of the responses that were > coming in from when I was posting questions due to my ignorance of > Linux. Some people were quick to help, some advanced users I am sure > ignored me because im not worth their time, and then some other users > tried to help but was unable to dumb their speech down to newb levels. > However I am thankful that there is people here to help out. I am > hoping someone with CentOS will take notice at my difficulty in > finding the bloody manuals and will put a link for future newbs that > says ?Download Manuals Here?. I also hope in the future if I have > questions I will be able to get the answers I seek and those who > helped me before will be able to help me again.---- CentOS is probably less accustomed to having Linux newbies than say Fedora, Mandriva, Ubuntu, SuSE, etc. Those are more geared for the end user whereas CentOS is based on the Enterprise version of Red Hat stuff which is less 'cutting edge' when it comes to the end users desktop. "Most" CentOS users are using it with servers than on desktops. The 'old guard' of UNIX/Linux is quite used to saying RTFM and most here are 'old guard' - it's not personal. As to making CentOS more newbie friendly...there are some who will and some who won't bother but it's not personal. Craig
Chris - FWIW I fall into a category that is part newbie and part experienced in that I have been using Linux since it's first release *BUT* I just use it to run a server so I can have FTP for my daily updates to the applications I maintain for my client and have proof sheets of my photos for the local newspaper and other entities. Once the server is running, it is left alone...sometimes for over a year, so anything I may know is just about forgotten (my daily work is in Windows). This forum has been a great asset for me, though I will from time to time use a forum more newbie oriented if I know from past experience that I "should really know the answer". Todd Chris Peikert wrote:> > I couldn't help but take notice at some of the responses that were > coming in from when I was posting questions due to my ignorance of > Linux. Some people were quick to help, some advanced users I am sure > ignored me because im not worth their time, and then some other users > tried to help but was unable to dumb their speech down to newb levels. > However I am thankful that there is people here to help out. I am > hoping someone with CentOS will take notice at my difficulty in > finding the bloody manuals and will put a link for future newbs that > says "Download Manuals Here". I also hope in the future if I have > questions I will be able to get the answers I seek and those who > helped me before will be able to help me again. > > > > Thanks > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >-- Ariste Software 2200 D Street Ext Petaluma, CA 94952 (707) 773-4523 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/attachments/20060411/019b0562/attachment-0001.html>
--- Chris Peikert <c.peikert at co.matagorda.tx.us> wrote:> I couldn't help but take notice at some of the > responses that were coming in > from when I was posting questions due to my > ignorance of Linux. Some people > were quick to help, some advanced users I am sure > ignored me because im not > worth their time, and then some other users tried to > help but was unable to > dumb their speech down to newb levels. However I am > thankful that there is > people here to help out. I am hoping someone with > CentOS will take notice at > my difficulty in finding the bloody manuals and will > put a link for future > newbs that says "Download Manuals Here". I also > hope in the future if I > have questions I will be able to get the answers I > seek and those who helped > me before will be able to help me again. > > > > ThanksIt may help if you joined a local library and found one of the many Redhat/RHEL books that assume your a complete newbie. The good thing about RHEL/CentOS/Fedora is the availability of documentation/books/dvds in bookstores and libraries. For example the Fedora 3 unleased book is of some use to CentOS 4 since 87% of the apps in Fedora made it to CentOS 4. - You may also consider joining a LUG (Linux User Group) near you. - Try the "man yum" to check out info on yum. - Do a --help on a command - Do not run as root incase you damage your system with a wrong command. __________________________________________________ Improve the mailing list by performing a simple search before posting and reading the faq/etiquette. Thank you!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
On 4/11/06, Chris Peikert <c.peikert at co.matagorda.tx.us> wrote:> > I couldn't help but take notice at some of the responses that were coming in > from when I was posting questions due to my ignorance of Linux. Some people > were quick to help, some advanced users I am sure ignored me because im not > worth their time, and then some other users tried to help but was unable to > dumb their speech down to newb levels. However I am thankful that there is > people here to help out. I am hoping someone with CentOS will take notice at > my difficulty in finding the bloody manuals and will put a link for future > newbs that says "Download Manuals Here". I also hope in the future if I > have questions I will be able to get the answers I seek and those who helped > me before will be able to help me again.IMHO (in my humble opinion) www.google.com is one of the best sources of answers for most questions. e.g., Google 'linux manual' and the first hit is <http://www.tldp.org/tldp-redirect.php> (the Linux Documentation Project). If you Google 'centos manual' the first hit is <mirror.centos.org/centos/4/docs/html/yumex/> which can be considered as a clue to look at <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/4/docs/>. In most cases, the Google approach works better than a mailing list if you are in a hurry for the answer and don't know the policy and culture of the list you are about to mail to. Google is in the business to make money from your visit to the Google site and is much less likely to exhibit some of the behavioral charactertistics described elsewhere in this thread :) rgds/ldv
On Tue, 2006-04-11 at 08:10 -0500, Chris Peikert wrote:> I couldn?t help but take notice at some of the responses that were > coming in from when I was posting questions due to my ignorance of > Linux. Some people were quick to help, some advanced users I am sure > ignored me because im not worth their time, and then some other users > tried to help but was unable to dumb their speech down to newb levels. > However I am thankful that there is people here to help out. I am > hoping someone with CentOS will take notice at my difficulty in > finding the bloody manuals and will put a link for future newbs that > says ?Download Manuals Here?. I also hope in the future if I have > questions I will be able to get the answers I seek and those who > helped me before will be able to help me again.Chris, hummm, I don't really know how to take this msg. 1st, This msg is flows by really a theme that is really the "goodness of the heart" of just about everyone. This is not really a business kind of a deal. If you hang around linux very long you should most likely capture this theme that is prominent in most linux distros, I can only speak of my experience for sure. I can say this that regardless who answers you, in most cases you will get the info you need if it is begotten. Everyone has their own things they do. Just because some of the really really knowledgeable users don't jump right in constantly and answer every little question does not mean anything that everyone has their own things they are trying to accomplish and their time doesn't provide. I dunno, but I just have a hard time picturing some of the very advanced users looking down at anyone because they are new at this. I do know from my own experience that they will help anyone w/out even thinking of the level of the users. I have asked too many questions here that were answered by oh so many to make me ever think any other way on this. You are messing w/a great bunch of people here that truly play this game in the spirit of the linux open source. John Rose
Chris, I'm sure you appreciate the help you have received thus far in its many forms :) Don't get discouraged, and please share what you have learned with others! On Tue, Apr 11, 2006 at 08:10:32AM -0500, Chris Peikert wrote:> I couldn't help but take notice at some of the responses that were coming in > from when I was posting questions due to my ignorance of Linux. Some people > were quick to help, some advanced users I am sure ignored me because im not > worth their time, and then some other users tried to help but was unable to > dumb their speech down to newb levels. However I am thankful that there is > people here to help out. I am hoping someone with CentOS will take notice at > my difficulty in finding the bloody manuals and will put a link for future > newbs that says "Download Manuals Here". I also hope in the future if I > have questions I will be able to get the answers I seek and those who helped > me before will be able to help me again.-- ekkikrist/mhoran
On 4/11/06, Chris Peikert <c.peikert at co.matagorda.tx.us> wrote:> > > > I couldn't help but take notice at some of the responses that were coming in > from when I was posting questions due to my ignorance of Linux. Some people > were quick to help, some advanced users I am sure ignored me because im not > worth their time, and then some other users tried to help but was unable to > dumb their speech down to newb levels. However I am thankful that there is > people here to help out.You should note that you will find this mix of responses on almost any list. There are those who are always willing to help, and those who can't be bothered. Also, and unfortunately, Newbie Baiting, is a time honored tradition on most lists, especially for the ego freaks who can't remember the time before they new it all. -- Collins Richey If you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for.